Sandra Patrick Farmer Drug Cheat?

Roughly the same as UKA appointing Linford Christie as a team coach.

Linford wasn't cynically injecting Nandrolone though was he?

he made a stupid mistake using Nandrolone contaminated supplements. Trouble is though, he won't admit he made a mistake, and that's where he loses most credibility for me.

I remember someone quoting Christie's autobiography( written before he got implicated) , where he said that if an athlete got caught with a needle sticking in his arm,that athlete would claim that someone THREW the syringe at him !

This has been on your mind for months and you just now brought it up??? Also why do they owe it to you to present the cases to the public simply because you think they should? Perhaps you and JK could spend more time on tweaking your training so that you could finish the majority of your races.

Wejo -

Have you read the existing USOC Bylaws: CHAPTER XXIII - USOC ATHLETE REPRESENTATION, and the new USOC Bylaws that will take effect this year: Article XII - Athletes' Advisory Council and Athlete Representation?

Both can be found at:

http://www.usoc.org/

Click on: "About USOC"

Then: "Documents & Public Notices"

Additionally, the USATF Bylaws (Article 9 -Voting)

http://www.usatf.org/about/governance/

outline the voting procedure that should be used to elect someone to a postion or committee.

Technically this will tell you how someone is elected, but ultimately won't answer your querstion as to how someone line SPF was elected. That is an ethical/moral question if you ask me that only those who voted for her can answer.

Wejo, give it a rest and go run. maybe they should appt Slaney and jacobs inst.ead. Worry about you own running

wejo-

i would argue that you are under an ethical obligation to speak up about having sandra farmer patrick removed.

from what i can find, her ban was never overturned by the iaaf. i can't seem to find anything about it being overturned by usatf either. oddly, it was one of the cases that the iaaf brought up against usatf. SFP was caught in 96, yet allowed to compete in the atlanta games. after she failed a test in 97 (again!) she was finally banned by usatf. if her ban was overturned, she retired very quickly, as she doesn't appear in the USATF bios for 1999.

so, here is an athlete who has been caught for doping, yet is in a position of power/authority in our sport! she even issued a quote on the usatf's adoption of a lifetime ban for doping violations!

at the very least, its a bad business move. she had a controversial case with the iaaf. she was caught using drugs. at the highest, it hits the root of the problem with track and field: a failure to acknoweldge its crooked past. we don't investigate the stasi files and find the athletes who were doping. we allow crooked doctors and coaches to move from one country to another peddling their chemicals. we give drug cheats positions of authority within the sport.

i guess this is why track isn't really serious about coming clean - because it seems that everyone is tainted somehow. did you know SFP is the godmother to flojo's kid? i guess the web is too widespread, involving too many athletes.

i'd press the case wejo.

walt wrote:

Wejo, give it a rest and go run. maybe they should appt Slaney and jacobs inst.ead. Worry about you own running

That's the problem with our sport today. Drugs are a huge problem. Yet most of you couldn't care less. "Go worry about your own running". Did you ever think people can "worry" about more than one thing at once.

Thanks for making this an issue wejo. I don't remember her conviction being overturned and if USATF is really trying to have a 0 tolerance policy then she should resign.

Who are you going to press the case to? The USATF who just put Slaney in the HAll of Fame or the sprinters that voted her in at the convention?

i'd first check with USATF and IAAF to see the outcome of her case. if she's guilty:

i'd make a formal complaint to the USATF.

if no response, i'd send a letter to the USOC.

if still nothing happens, i'd use the only tool left: the press. i'd post it on the front page of this board for starters. i'd call jere longman and track and field news next. then i'd go to other media outlets. in wake of the balco indictments drug news is big news. and what is better than a former drug cheat now in a position of power within the sport? conflict of interest? maybe. inmates running the asylum? definitely.

1. WEJO should force the issue - Farmer doesn't belong anywhere near the sport.

2. The JOBRO should establish a policy for this forum that bans all athletes who used performance enhancing drugs from posting here. Across the board. Either we clean this mess up once and for all or we don't. No half-way houses.

I sat in on the Athletes Advisory Board committee meeting at the USATF convention chaired by (or so it seemed) SFP and Jon Drummond. I thought to myself, could there be any worse representation on such a committee. No sooner did I think that then Maurice Greene said as much to us who were in the back of the room. I genuinely felt bad for Jackie Joyner Kersee and Mike Conley who had to not only put up with those two knuckleheads, but had to listen to Bobby Kersee shouting at the HSI people who about the false start rule.

Talk about the inmates running the asylum, I couldn't believe the stupidity that was flying around that room. I know that the AAB is a joke and so does much of the sport, but if I were to pick people who might actually get something done, I would pick Roger Kingdom, Allen Johnson and Jackie and tell everyone else to shut up and listen.

Track and Field is a joke to the rest of the sporting world and it's not going to get any better until we have some respectable leadership that has some actual power.

No, I'm not holding my breath!

Walt -

Nice response.

The short attention span theater strikes again.....It seems like we live in a culture that steers away from any problem/issue that requires a prolonged, concerted effort to solve/resolve.

It's far easier to bitch about a problem and then expect someone else to solve it than it is to commit oneself to get involve for the long haul and be part of the solution. I give WEJO credit for bringing up (an obvious) problem involving SPF and position she holds. People like Walt will always be in armchair critics that don't have the balls to get involved.

Give it a rest you spineless twit.

I see that Sandra Farmer Patrick is going with the team to Budapest for the Indoor World Championships as team manager.

Women

60m: Gail Devers, Torri Edwards

200m: Crystal Cox, Rachelle Boone

400m: Julian Clay, GiGi Miller

800m: Jen Toomey, Mary Jayne Harrelson

1,500m: Jenelle Deatherage

3,000m: Shayne Culpepper, Carrie Tollefson

60m hurdles: Gail Devers, Joanna Hayes

Shot Put: Laura Gerraughty, Kristin Heaston

Long Jump: Grace Upshaw

Triple Jump: Yuliana Perez

Pole Vault: Stacy Dragila, Jillian Schwartz

Pentathlon: Kim Schiemenz

4x400m relay pool: Julian Clay, Natasha Hastings, Moushaumi Robinson, Demetria Washington, GiGi Miller, Ellannee Richardson

Head Coach: Diane Wholey (Texas Tech)

Head Manager: Sandra Farmer-Patrick (USATF Athletes Advisory)

Assistant Coaches: Connie Price-Smith (Southern Illinois), Rose Monday (Texas-San Antonio), Cedrick Walker (Flower City TC)

Dougruns26 wrote:

I see that Sandra Farmer Patrick is going with the team to Budapest for the Indoor World Championships as team manager.

that's great. a drug cheat as our national team manager. how long until remi korchemy is named as a technical advisor?

track certainly lives up to its billing as a three ring circus.

that's great. a drug cheat as our national team manager. how long until remi korchemy is named as a technical advisor?

You might be careful of which you ask. I saw Remi in the lobby of the Marriott (meet headquarters) in Boston. I did not see he and Sandra together, that would have been a picture.

"Head Manager: Sandra Farmer-Patrick (USATF Athletes Advisory)"

Does this mean her responsibilites include ORGANizing who the girls give head to in Budapest? Perfect job for her since it appears that may have been how she got the USATF rep postion on the Athlete Advisory Board of the USOC.

My guess is that Stephanie Hightower owes her something. Hightower runs the show (despite Chaplin's incessant and unintelligible blustering).

Bumpity bump bump bump...may be worth revisiting with the Doug Logan fiasco...see Stephanie Hightower comment