MO TRAFEH

The Stache wrote:

The Gate River Run is the USATF Championship for 15K. There absolutely IS drug testing at that race. USADA is there since this is the USATF National Championship. Know your facts before you accuse.

I cannot answer for NYC, but when has NYRR conducted a large race without drug testing?

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It is elidgible for drug testing. That does not mean it does the testing each year. And, now the drug testing people actually call ahead and tell the races they are testing long before the race date.

Add to that, Mo is using something that might not be detectable. Or, he might actually return to the U.S. after the drugs are no longer showing up on the tests.

Or he might just be clean

No testing at Gate River. And why is Brad Hudson so afraid to let everyone know he's coaching this guy?

It seems painfully obvious to be cheating. The real question is who holds him accountable. USADA can't catch him. If I were Tim Nelson I'd be demanding my $17k Cheating is = to thievery. Petty thievery.

Regina Jacobs never had to pay back the $ she stole for years. Perhaps that is motivation for these new people.

was Mo the guy who placed very high in xc junior nationals at maybe 16 or 17 while being essentially self-coached? The quick improvement after college is consonant with a very talented runner who was undertrained. What do they always say? Try it out after college for a year or two and abandon the dream if you don't improve dramatically. It's not like he is a 29 year old with sudden improvement after 7 years of trying.

Anyone willing to put up $100 cash to bet on the fact that MO Trafeh was not registered in the USADA out of competion testing pool going into Gate River and NYC Half Marathon.

Any takers?

sorry to blow the game but the answer is no, trafeh is NOT on the OOC pool of athletes. one needs to be in the top 5 US road list at the end of the year, he didn't make it on several counts. on big reason is that they use 10km and marathon times for determining OOC eligibility, he only ran a decent 20K last year, this year another race that's not typically considered.

of course, usatf always reserves the right to add to, or delete from, the OOC list-WHICH IS WHY THEY SHOULD PUT MO ON IT RIGHT FREAKIN NOW IF THEY HAVE ANY ETHICS WHATSOEVER!!!! at least he's not quite as bad as hellebuyck.

who cares if he was or wasnt ? are u? is everyone? why do you have to be, ? why do something when you dont' ? the guy doesn't even have a sponsor, he's just now making break throughs.. it's like telling a 15 min 5k runner, you should be registered through USADADA> blah blah, in case you place in blah blah usa event. makes a lot of sense, lets go hunt down blah blah 15 min, runner in small town usa and test every single joe blow runner out there and stick him on our list. now that mo has actually done something , he'll probably go on their list, i don't think it's the athletes decision to be on the list or not..

Who cares? Maybe all the guys he beat and the money he stole from them if he is dirty. Is that you EDDY H?

Curious runner wrote:

Guys let people run freely without you giving them your dumb advices. This guy represented himslef well and worked hard to get the victory in Florida and he deserves everyone's respect and support. You can't accuse anyone of being doper if he havent been caught. That is just unfair.

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Why is that unfair?

Do we suspect Roger Clemons? Yes. Was he caught? No.

Mo dissapears to Morrocco for months at a time. Returns much much faster. That's not suspicious? Was he ever tested? No.

I'll say this. Let him get tested, then let's give him a pass.

Suspicion comes from a great improvement within 1 year's time.

He would have broken the U.S. 20k record at the 20k split with his last 1/2 marathon time.

Suspect numero uno wrote:

One thing we can safely say, is this is a very strange and unique case of someone who was good, who suddenly got great.

Love how everyone accuses this guy (MO) but people turn a blind eye when it comes to Sergio Sanchez.[/quote]

Whaaaaaat? A lot of people have, and I for one agree he is suspect as hell. If ever there was a red flag for dirty distance in the past 5 years for male distance runners it's MO, Sergio and Ramzi.

Unfortunately it's harder to track the Ethiopians and Kenyans because there are so many of them and it is so common for them to come out of nowhere, blast for 1 to 3 years and dissapear into obscurity with only the top, top guys sticking around for a long time. Nobody keeps track of them because there are so many and they spend most of the time running on crap tracks at altitude unless they get a break and get to europe or an international championship, in which case it's hard to guage the jump in performances.

Fu wrote:

Why is that unfair?

Do we suspect Roger Clemons?

"Clemens?"

Yes. Was he caught? No.

Mo dissapears

"disappears"

to Morrocco

"Morocco"

for months at a time. Returns much much faster. That's not suspicious? Was he ever tested? No.

I'll say this. Let him get tested, then let's give him a pass.

Suspicion comes from a great improvement within 1 year's time.

He would have broken the U.S. 20k record at the 20k split with his last 1/2 marathon time.

Mo's facebook says he is in Big Bear training right now.

I cant wait for his track debut. Does anyone know where he's supposed to open up track season? The haters are gonna go wild when he busts a 13:10 or 27:10

bobby e. wrote:

MOFAN wrote:

From speaking to him he doesnt have an agent but a lot are interested.

Brad Hudson seems to believe he has some nebulous claim on Trafeh - advisor/agent, if not coach?

Fu wrote:

I'll say this. Let him get tested, then let's give him a pass.

Suspicion comes from a great improvement within 1 year's time.

He would have broken the U.S. 20k record at the 20k split with his last 1/2 marathon time.

He'll be tested, don't worry. It will happen sooner or later.

The only reason he would have broken the 20K record during that NYC half is because they didn't get a 20K split in Houston when Hall ran 59:43.

The 20K record is soft, because it is not run that often. Who cares if he would have broken it. He was only a few seconds off his Gate River Run 15K time at his 15K split in NYC, too. Different courses...

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Trafeh said in his statement that he was "stopped by USADA". Sounds to me like someone tipped off USADA. Maybe not identical to the Hesch case, but perhaps not dissimilar.

btw, does USADA have the authority to search someone's luggage? If so, did they get a warrant or is refusing to allow them to search your bags treated as a failed test?

This case raises a lot of interesting questions that go beyond Mr Trafeh.

"Guys let people run freely without you giving them your dumb advices. This guy represented himslef well and worked hard to get the victory in Florida and he deserves everyone's respect and support. You can't accuse anyone of being doper if he havent been caught. That is just unfair."

- well, he's now caught. when there's smoke, there's usually fire.

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