You'd have to rely on terror being able to multiply your strength and speed by 10x. I can't imagine anything scarier than getting attacked by a crazed chimp. Those cold, dead eyes....
You'd have to rely on terror being able to multiply your strength and speed by 10x. I can't imagine anything scarier than getting attacked by a crazed chimp. Those cold, dead eyes....
All terror would do is have you dying scared. An angry wife is the only thing that is close. THOSE cold, dead(ly) eyes!
dean moriarty wrote:
You'd have to rely on terror being able to multiply your strength and speed by 10x. I can't imagine anything scarier than getting attacked by a crazed chimp. Those cold, dead eyes....
seesee wrote:
I wasn't listing my squat strength to brag, only to say that I'm a reasonably sized man and much stronger than that 50 year old lady. I know a chimp is much faster and more agile than I am. I was saying was I would try to confuse him, and then attack him in a way he wouldn't expect. I think my plan would be to make very sudden movement in hopes of exposing his back then apply a rear-naked choke. I was just wondering how you think an athletic male of reasonable size would stand vs. this older woman.
dude, do your research before commenting on the strength of chimps
a 50lb chimp will cut through you like butter
Widespread wrote:
Although I am fully aware of the immense strength of chimps, I highly doubt that a 20 lb chimp could take down a fully grown, healthy human male.
Although it sounds absolutely insane, I would bet on the 20lb chimp.
Think of a ridiculously fast and strong 2 year old coming straight at you to kill you. I would be scared.
When I was in Costa Rica last year, I was scared of those aggressive tree monkeys. I wouldn't fight one for anything, and they are like, what, 8 - 10 lbs?
It appears it's not a good idea to handle chimps without carrying a firearm at all times.
Statistically, they may not attack that much. I don't know. But, when they do, it generally seems to be a savage, horrific affair.
I don't think they should be kept as pets under any circumstances.
Although I am fully aware of the immense strength of chimps, I highly doubt that a 20 lb chimp could take down a fully grown, healthy human male.[/quote]
Dude, it's not just about the size and strength of the muscles. Think about the whole picture of a 20 lb chimp vs. a full grown male.
What weapons does a man have on his body? A fist? He can choke someone out? Poke his eyes out?
Chimp? Their teeth are like daggers, mouth huge, claws for finger nails. Men have teeth like 1/4 inch long, small mouth, britle finger nails. The chimp with his 2 inch long teeth even at 20 lbs has WAY more ability to kill a human and vice versa.
Bones: Chimps bones are rock solid, men's break. The 20 lb chimp would break your bones, there is no way you could break his.
Skull: Seriously, you can't bite the chimp to make him bleed, you can't break his bones, so what are you going to do? Punch him in the face hoping you'd knock him out? His skull is about 5 times thicker than yours. He wouldn't even feel Mike Tyson's punch, let alone yours. Sure it'd knock him accross the room, but it wouldn't faze him one bit, he'd just run right back at you with his mouth wide open. No way could you give him a concussion by punching him. No way could you pick him up to beat his head against a brick wall without him biting your hand off. No way could you choke him without him biting your hand off.
Seriously, there is nothing a human can do without tools which would hurt the chimp before the chimp simply opened his mouth full of daggers and just bit your hand right off.
20lb chimp win's vs. a human male.
I did do my research as I said in the original post, I know a chimp is typically 4-7 times stronger than a man. I think my point was is there any way to outsmart the chimp or to do something he wouldn't know how to respond to without the use of weapons. Men can capture crocodiles, wrestle bears, fight other men 3 times their size. I wasn't asking what my chances were, it was more a question of what method would be best so I didn't end up as bad as that lady.
I saw this lady on the Today Show this morning....wow....she got mauled. No hands. No eyes. No nose. Ripped her mouth off. What a horrible, horrible result...if that was me, I think it would be better to have just let the chimp finish me off.
That said, the owner of the animal clearly had issues. I came away from the interview concluding that the chimp and had a relationship that far exceeded traditional norms, i.e., the chimp was totally banging its owner.
they can run 25mph compared to humans 18mph. (this is typical chimp versus typical human top speeds, not olympic humans or olympic chimps) The bipedal efficiency would only help in the long haul, not a sprint.
Cool site, has the speeds of all animals:
Anyone remember the movie 'Monkey Shines' back in 1988? That was some scarry stuff! This is a very interesting post. I was reading online about the girl that got mauled, and was talking with a co-worker about this same subject. I was thinking I could just kick the sh** out of the monkey, but now I'm definetly convinced otherwise! Guess I'll stay away from chimps from now on! But seriously, how is having one as a pet even legal?
Heres the thing, hand to hand theres really no chance. But what makes humans the top species in the world...intelligence. We have weapons...knifes and guns. Give me either one of those and I bet I could take on any size chimp.
clark wrote:
Heres the thing, hand to hand theres really no chance. But what makes humans the top species in the world...intelligence. We have weapons...knifes and guns. Give me either one of those and I bet I could take on any size chimp.
you would be so scared you would only get a few shots off.. maybe hit the chimp in the shoulder and or leg and the chimp would still eat you alive....
I ove this freaking thread. What a great thread!
There is a guy on LetsRun that actually knows someone with a mauling chimp? This site is unbelievable.
The people who think they could beat a 20 lb. chimp are only kidding themselves. No way in hell. You would think you could kick it, but it would latch right on to your leg and bite your balls right off.
So scary.
How long can it maintain 25 mph? If it's just in short bursts and you are out in the open, maybe you could maintain enough distance so that it slows down to the point it can't catch you? Then build the distance back up while it is catching it's breath?
I'm thinking sort of like persistence hunting, but in reverse.
How Strong Is a Chimpanzee?
The bone-crushing power of the apes has been greatly exaggerated.
By John Hawks
Posted Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009, at 3:43 PM ET
After last week's chimpanzee attack in Connecticut, in which an animal named Travis tore off the face of a middle-aged woman, primate experts interviewed by the media repeated an old statistic: Chimpanzees are five to eight times stronger than people. The literature—or at least 19th-century literature—concurs: Edgar Allan Poe's fictional orangutan was able to hurl bodies and pull off scalps. Edgar Rice Burroughs' fictional anthropoid apes were likewise possessed of remarkable strength. Even Jules Verne's gentle ape, Jupiter, had the muscle to drag a stuck wagon from the mire.
Pulled scalps? Unstuck wagons? No doubt, chimpanzees are different from us. Their climbing lifestyle accentuates the need for arm strength. A chimp on four legs can easily outrun a world-class human sprinter. But it sounds extreme to suggest that humans are only an eighth as strong as chimpanzees. Consider that a large human can bench-press 250 pounds. If the "five to eight times" figure were true, that would make a large chimpanzee capable of bench-pressing 1 ton. It's just the sort of factoid the zoo staff might tell you to keep you from knocking on the glass.
The suspicious claim seems to have originated in a flapper-era study conducted by a biologist named John Bauman. Poe's story of the scalp-pulling orangutan struck Bauman as being "grotesquely impossible." In 1923, he noted that every expert in the field believed apes were vastly stronger than humans—yet none had ever tried to prove it. So he packed up a device used to measure pull strength, called a dynamometer, and set out for the Bronx Zoo.
The apes were less-than-willing participants in the study. They were more apt to tear apart the shiny dynamometer than pull on it, and, unless the ape had a "distinctly vicious disposition," she was unlikely to approach the experimental task with much vigor. Bauman managed to rig his device outside the cage, feeding in a rope for the apes to work on. Then, amazingly, one of the Bronx chimpanzees—a former circus ape named Suzette—managed to pull 1,260 pounds.
Bauman took his study on the road, attempting tests at the Philadelphia Zoo and making inquiries as far afield as Chicago and Cincinnati. In 1926, he returned to the Bronx Zoo, successfully testing the largest chimpanzee then in captivity. That animal, named Boma, pulled 847 pounds one-handed.
How did that compare with humans? As a college teacher in South Dakota, Bauman did what any good scientist would do: He recruited the football team as research subjects. He found that not one of his "husky lads" could pull more than 500 pounds with both hands, and only one had a one-handed pull above 200. What's more, the football players were free to use the dynamometer as they wished, while the chimpanzees had been forced to pull the apparatus from a clumsy posture in their cages. It appeared that chimpanzees really could be more than five times stronger than humans.
Thus the number entered the anthropology textbooks and made its way into the talking points of recent primatologists like Jane Goodall and Sue Savage-Rumbaugh.
But the "five times" figure was refuted 20 years after Bauman's experiments. In 1943, Glen Finch of the Yale primate laboratory rigged an apparatus to test the arm strength of eight captive chimpanzees. An adult male chimp, he found, pulled about the same weight as an adult man. Once he'd corrected the measurement for their smaller body sizes, chimpanzees did turn out to be stronger than humans—but not by a factor of five or anything close to it.
Repeated tests in the 1960s confirmed this basic picture. A chimpanzee had, pound for pound, as much as twice the strength of a human when it came to pulling weights. The apes beat us in leg strength, too, despite our reliance on our legs for locomotion. A 2006 study found that bonobos can jump one-third higher than top-level human athletes, and bonobo legs generate as much force as humans nearly two times heavier.
So the figures quoted by primate experts are a little exaggerated. But it is a fact that chimpanzees and other apes are stronger than humans. How did we get to be the weaklings of the primate order? Our overall body architecture makes a difference: Even though chimpanzees weigh less than humans, more of their mass is concentrated in their powerful arms. But a more important factor seems to be the structure of the muscles themselves. A chimpanzee's skeletal muscle has longer fibers than the human equivalent and can generate twice the work output over a wider range of motion. In the past few years, geneticists have identified the loci for some of these anatomical differences. One gene, for example, called MYH16, contributes to the development of large jaw muscles in other apes. In humans, MYH16 has been deactivated. (Puny jaws have marked our lineage for as least 2 million years.) Many people have also lost another muscle-related gene called ACTN3. People with two working versions of this gene are overrepresented among elite sprinters while those with the nonworking version are overrepresented among endurance runners. Chimpanzees and all other nonhuman primates have only the working version; in other words, they're on the powerful, "sprinter" end of the spectrum.
We're still left to wonder how Bauman managed to be so far off in his calculations. The biologist himself thought that his subjects' agitation contributed to their exceptional pulls—like an adrenaline-charged mother lifting a bus off her newborn. Later scientists tended to focus on his clumsy measurement procedure. In any case, a modern and accurate comparison of human and chimpanzee strength still has meaning for scientists. By studying the evolutionary changes that made us so much wimpier than our cousins, we may be able to develop new approaches for the treatment of human muscle disorders. We won't be infusing the elderly with chimpanzee strength any time soon, but a little boost here and there for those who need it? That's hardly science fiction.
With the faith of a mustard seed, you can move mountains.
Here is Man versus Chimp in action.
Lets think this trough. The chimp has all the previous listed abilities.
Most chimp fights end after one chimp gets discouraged, and flies, tho the dominating chimp will follow intermittently it will give up eventually.
So the best strategy to confront a 200lbs chimp would be in my opinion:
Fight like a chimp, close your fists do not try to pull his eyes out since it seem to be hard to do for even another chimp with strength and fangs plus he can bite your finger of easily.
Don't hit him with your puny hands it will do no good, just use them to cover your neck and face. Instead use your legs, humans have strong legs that can if used effectively keep some distance between you and the chimp.
Roll out of his grip, although chimps are strong they are still primates like us and need to have their hands and mouth in a good position to do serious damage, if your entire body moves they have to reposition.
Given that this is not a Saw movie most likely there will be ways to run, it will be hard since the chimp will jump 10 feet and nail your down, but if you are resilient and keep ruining it will let you go go eventually.
If any thing could be used as a melee weapon your best bet is to go for the sharp ones and use them in their limbs to get out of their grip, go for elbows and you might hit a nerve that will save you.
Lets think this trough. The chimp has all the previous listed abilities.
Most chimp fights end after one chimp gets discouraged, and flies, tho the dominating chimp will follow intermittently it will give up eventually.
So the best strategy to confront a 200lbs chimp would be in my opinion:
Fight like a chimp, close your fists do not try to pull his eyes out since it seem to be hard to do for even another chimp with strength and fangs plus he can bite your finger of easily.
Don't hit him with your puny hands it will do no good, just use them to cover your neck and face. Instead use your legs, humans have strong legs that can if used effectively keep some distance between you and the chimp.
Roll out of his grip, although chimps are strong they are still primates like us and need to have their hands and mouth in a good position to do serious damage, if your entire body moves they have to reposition.
Given that this is not a Saw movie most likely there will be ways to run, it will be hard since the chimp will jump 10 feet and nail your down, but if you are resilient and keep ruining it will let you go go eventually.
If any thing could be used as a melee weapon your best bet is to go for the sharp ones and use them in their limbs to get out of their grip, go for elbows and you might hit a nerve that will save you.
A possible methodology: Hand the chimp a banana but drop it just before he gets it. Then you sucker punch him and run like a banshee just in case you didn't coldcock him.