My message to drug cheats (especially those from Africa)

He's not a Brit. He's a KENYAN who lived some time in the UK.

He made his nationality known when posting as Eldrik on the T&FN message boards. He was just as vile and offensive there. I'd say he's even more mad now.

Now you know why he thinks Lagat could run 2:11 for 1000m (if he hadn't picked his nose at 600m), Kiplugat 1:41 for 800m in 1974 (if he hadn't run on a marshmallow track) Kiprop 3:27 with a bloody wabbitt (but only if it was called Bugs Bunny) this year, why no Kenyan has ever doped and all the runners of the 1980's did, etc, etc,........yawn, yawn,.....

no

who ?

standard letsscurry badinage

if it's too strong for your sensibilities, then f*** off to your momma

same as hicham - the 3 are virtually interchangeable at 800/1k

remember moron - hicham has worse 800pb than bernie

if bernie is a "1'46" guy, hicham's 1'47 means he's obviously his inferior despite 53s finish in a 3'26.00

no

it was balking at ~150m out - watch the vid idiot

who the f*** you talking about moron ???

i know a kipkurgat

no

moron

i said 1'42-flat

1'41 may have been his ability at point-pierre some months after christchurch when that may have been best shape of his life & he ran an incredible race to not just get the record, but obliterate it, but misjudged it badly, but suffice to say he destroyed boit who later came within 1/10th of wr also & walker who never ran a faster 800 again in kiwi to show his pedigree

moron

it was wind - listen to doyen of commentators, coleman's word

moron

1'44.71 -> 1'43.17

that's a 1.54s improvement, which if he'd had a global improvement commensurate in all events:

-> 3'31.64 - (15/8)*1.54 = 3'28.75

& he's a better 1500 runner than 800

name the list & offences

i'm afraid you are offering the drivel - see your post

Ventolin - you are a moron, a stupid filthy moron. You are a piece of s%$$#. you are a vile creature.

Bekele is faster than Lagat.

Many Kenyans do drugs.

You are a moron.

A vile, filthy moron. Very low iq. You are very stupid. You never post smart thing. Moron.

moron

get that dissociative personality looked at

i'm referring to you idiot

idiot

1 athlete with full 2y ban offence out of 500+ athletes he's represented in ~ 20y

he even demanded b test as he didn't believe any of his charges woud dope

as he's just likely to demand action against you idiot, let me style as an advocate

what is this drivel supposed to mean ???

define it

mathematically

moron

he is an agent, not a trainer

try again

improvement over a single winter ???

where is the 95% confidence limits ???

the chi-square to "prove" disparate populations ???

show me some proper numbers moron

1 big +ve out of 500+ in ~20y ?

have you got her psychological profile ??

how about :

he didn't believe she woud dope & believed it was false +ve, same as caused iaaf/wada to withdraw in '03 their boastful inviolability of +ve test study ???

go fetch it

see above idiot

moron

marion jones had +ve a & -ve b

your premise is complete nonsense

learn some better stats idiot

- standard deviation

- z scores

- confidence limits

- chi square

apply them to your schoolboy numbers, then come back moron

no

moron

he'd likely ask the mods to explain themselves rather than you, a piss-ant, but you might get lucky & his piss strays on you ant

moron

i've signed enough forms to get them droperidoled, jacketed & sent there

i coudn't do that that to you, because under mental hendicap laws you'd have to be sent to a kindergarden for 4y before we coud get your i q up enough to send you to one

i'm sure that you will suffer their consequences...

ventolin^2,

Just stop with the f***ing name calling already.

The OP did not start out calling names every paragraph as you do.

All you are doing is making your self look like an angry pissant, and lending more credibility to the OP's angle.

As to the OP's beliefs, they are interesting, and worth considering, whether they are correct or not.

I wonder if the OP believes alan webb was doping in 2007? Or do only east africans dope?

Moron beat Idiot 7 to 5 in that last ventolin post. Great stuff.

Certain people metabolize drugs significantly faster than others. This rate can be over 3 times faster than the average individual. The highest concentration of those genetically predisposed to metabolizing drugs at this ridiculously fast rate live in East Africa, specifically Kenya. This does not mean that Kenyans dope. It means large portions of their population will be much harder to catch, especially if they are intermittently doping, especially with something with a particularly short half-life, like EPO. EPO is also not an expensive drug when obtained legally. I thought the people in this discussion should know this random fact of the week.

May I ask how it was determined that East Africans metabolize drugs three times faster than the average individual (does this mean Europeans or Asians?)?

Did this random fact come from a specific medical study?

Random fact of the week wrote:

Certain people metabolize drugs significantly faster than others. This rate can be over 3 times faster than the average individual.

eh ??

you offering something 450-esque & induction ???

what chromosome is it on ??

The highest concentration of those genetically predisposed to metabolizing drugs at this ridiculously fast rate live in East Africa, specifically Kenya. This does not mean that Kenyans dope. It means large portions of their population will be much harder to catch, especially if they are intermittently doping, especially with something with a particularly short half-life, like EPO

eh ?

answer above

EPO is also not an expensive drug when obtained legally.

bullshit

it costs huge amounts to get bona fide

I thought the people in this discussion should know this random fact of the week.

thanks for nothing

Random fact of the week wrote:

Certain people metabolize drugs significantly faster than others. This rate can be over 3 times faster than the average individual. The highest concentration of those genetically predisposed to metabolizing drugs at this ridiculously fast rate live in East Africa, specifically Kenya. This does not mean that Kenyans dope. It means large portions of their population will be much harder to catch, especially if they are intermittently doping, especially with something with a particularly short half-life, like EPO. EPO is also not an expensive drug when obtained legally. I thought the people in this discussion should know this random fact of the week.

"Fast Metablizers," is a medical fact.

But where do you get that East Africa has a higher concentration of such humans.

Provide a source.

ventolin - nice posts...thanks for keeping this discussion real.

"For once Ventolin is talking sense"

And I thought that Ventolin9 was just smoking some very good stuff.

No, Ethiopians don't have a physiological advantage over Europeans only at altitude! They have it at sea level, too! And if they don't, they have it at least at altitude!

LOL

And remember, infusion of thickened blood is not dangerous at all! Well...it is dangerous, but only with 50+ hematocrit and extreme dehydratation!

And Tergat was in the best shape, because he had thought he was in the best shape!

In a discussion with an emotional crackpot, it is advisable to keep a cold head. He will trap himself into his own contradictory "counteragruments" after a while, and effectively discredits himself.

By the way, the "false EPO positives" show that the old EPO test may in fact be pretty good. But it only wasn't bulletproof. Marion Jones herself confessed that she had taken EPO. And the names of the alleged "unjustly tested" athletes that I saw all came from endurance sports. What a coincidence!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/sep/20/athletics.sport

Not many shotputters, long jumpers or weightlifters suffering from EPO-related metabolic disorders!

http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/cgi/reprint/108/5/1778-a

It's a farce!

So we can safely add Mr. Lagat here.

By the way, have you heard that doping is almost non-existent at Tour de France? I read it...well, maybe 15 years ago. I strongly believe that it is still true.

And Marion Jones is 100% innocent. She went through 160 doping tests as clean, which is an unofficial world record, I think.

This may be to what ventolin is referring, it's floated around the internet for a while. The critical parts are highlighted for the forum.

This is why I was referring to. But nobody probably bothered to click on the link.

Remember please that altitude adaptations may not necessarily mean a sports advantage at sea level. In fact, the extreme adaptations we see e.g. in Andean natives are actually detrimental for sports performance at sea level (low anaerobic capacity, the shift from fat oxidation to glucose oxidation which subsequently limits ATP production.)

I don't think that anyone here has mentioned Andeans, and the study shows that Ethiopians have a different adaptation to hypobaric environments than either Andeans or Tibetans, with Ethiopians showing on average sea-level hemocrit counts, while showing high oxygen saturation levels. This would suggest that the red blood cells in Ethiopians are better at bonding to oxygen than the others cited. It very well could be that the average Ethiopian has standard hemocrit counts with this efficient oxygen bonding process and that their superstars have the efficient bonding in addition to a higher than usual hemocrit count. I don't know how you could see red blood cells more efficiently bonding to oxygen as a disadvantage in endurance sports.

Lol! Are you saying NO to being a Kenyan, or to living in the UK?

You have acknowledged yourself to being Kenyan on here before, and to having spent time in London. I can't really be bothered to look up when, but it's a shame you can't acknowledge your roots.

You did put this though on a recent thread about Henry Rono:-

"King Henry

You must have some inkling of what you think you could have run for 1500, 3k, 5k & 10k from '78 -> '84 under ideal circumstances/progression

It would be an immense privilege to hear your thoughts !

( BTW, my father was Keino's boss in the Police back in mid/late '60s )

Simba Marrara !!!"

Well all that ganga you profess to take must have affected your memory!

;0)