epopians wrote:If you don't believe Cordner Nelson's words on the condition of the track, then why do you have such faith in the time given in T&FN when he was the editor?
because moron, he has to go with official timing off the meet
the commonest quote is 46.5 for 300m & 2'46.6
So you just cherry pick which fits in with your views!
46.5/2'46.6 is commonest quote
"The Milers" was a T&FN publication, and most of what lies within is taken directly from the pages of T&FN. P.330~ "...Ryun's last three-fourths mile was in about 2:48.7,..." Which equates to 2:47.8 for 1200m
the only split worth considering is from
When the runners started off slowly, Ryun followed Keino, back in the pack, and after 220 yards of dawdling, a record seemed out of the question.
Dave Bailey, who came down from Canada to run, increased the pace and Keino dashed into the hole behind Bailey, followed quickly by Ryun, They passed the 440 with Ryun third in 60.9 and then Keino made the move which saved the race from mediocrity
they dawdled for 220 & he sped upto 60.9 at 440
there was speed increase there
ryun is given elsewhere 300m in 46.5, which supposes he covered 300m to 440y( 402.336m ) in 14.4s or for 400m :
14.4 * 400/(402.336 - 300) =
56.28s pace for 400m
Keino sped around the reddish track in 56.0, fastest second lap ever run. Ryun, a close second
where's the inconsistency ???
NO! You can't admit that even with your ludicrous 1 sec conversion, a 55.6 (56.6 - 1) first 400m is par for the course for a 3:48 miler
55.6 pace is 3'42.4 pace for a miler !
A 3:48 Miler would not slow to 60 secs on the last lap in a 2:51(- 3 secs) 3/4, let alone a 2:54
yes he woud if he'd run 1st lap at 3'42 pace
Very few WR's are run with efficient average lap times
especially with snell's disparity
If running a 55.6 first 440 and slowing to a last 440 of 59.6 (58.6) and a 3:54(3:50) finish shows that he was capable of 3:48, then other athletes would have been capable of much faster times too
squaring the circle ?!
morceli's 3'27wr shouda told you the lesson for 1500
you gotta push from 550 out to convert 3'28-high to 3'27-low
if hicham had decided to try the same in rome '97 or some others, we'd be looking at
Coe's 3:29.7 began with a 54.0 first 400. That's 2 sec below a perfect 56.0, but he still managed to run the last lap in 55.3
& he relaxed a lot in middle 2 laps to recover
i got no problem with him as maybe 1'43.0 - 1'43.5 / ??13'05 - 13'15 potential back then
So that must give him 3:27 ability
Kipchirchir-Komen's 3:29 in '06 started with a 52.6 and finished with a 56.6
those summate to 3'24.75 pace
obviously you relax enough in mid 700m you get a shot at quick
he was a hard man ( destroyed kennster in a 1500 ) - at least 3'27-mid calibre that day
Completely wrong. He ran a 57.8 last lap in his 1st WR and 56.9 in his 2nd
he ran 57.8 in both
he was greatest example of how the legendary kicker got squeezed to oblivion when relentless pace was thrown at