Any nominations?
Any nominations?
E5
This was a easy one. Dan Waters of Texas A&M University.
He has messed up the Aussie 800 meter runner, the 8:45 3K steepler, and Songok the NCAA 5,000 champion this year..
Ron Helmer and the Indiana Hoosiers. Look at their Sophmore class and tell me how they didnt qualify anyone for nationals. Desean Turner (4:08 high school, 8:57 high school), Ben Hubers (4:04 high school), Andy Weatherford (4:08 high school), Tim Mcleod (14:48 high school) and a bunch of 9:05 guys.
Maybe Dan Waters and Rene Spavulda(SP),Oklahoma State Women's coach, needs to get away for a weekend together of R&R before the big dance next week in Fayetteville?
Blue Bell Ice Cream wrote:
This was a easy one. Dan Waters of Texas A&M University.
He has messed up the Aussie 800 meter runner, the 8:45 3K steepler, and Songok the NCAA 5,000 champion this year..
So called Coach Dan Waters could not coach a rat to eat cheese. He makes Stanley Redwine look like a genius.......
Well the Duke women's coach attended Georgetown when Helmer was there, so perhaps that explains his coaching philosophy. Is there any other team that recruits such an abundance of talent with such poor results? All that talent and only two girls on the entire team qualify for nationals. Why do so many of the girls on that team get injured? In addition, once injured, they don't get healthy, but just disappear. For example, Kaitlyn Bastert, Maddie McKeever, Whitney Anderson, Tia Ferguson, Brittany Sedberry, Michelle Seibert, Amanda Patterson, Emily Sherrard, Kate Van Boskirk, Jessica Davlin, and several others just seemed to have disappeared. This list doesn't even include the girls like Katie Doswell that have seriously underperformed while at Duke. Nor does the list include top ranked freshmen like Carly Seymour, Suejin Ahn, Virginia Hine, etc. that seemed to have just vanished. Do they just have a poor training schedule, poor rehab. program, bad running surfaces, poor strength training program, all of the above?
amen to e5
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Wayne Angel- Illinois
Helmer coaching women = pretty successful
Helmer coaching men = pretty piss poor
The Indiana women have had a rebirth with Helmer. A 202 800m female, and qualifiers in the 10k and steeple. My impression is a very good job.
He pulled one over on the Indiana admin when he was hired, selling himself as a men's coach. Pat Henner coached the men. With the men, I get the feeling Helmer is trying to figure it out as he goes along.
who would you guys say are the best coaches? top 5 or top 10 coaches?
princeton!!
Greg Metcalf at UW
flats wrote:
Greg Metcalf at UW
I was waiting for this one. Explain to me how Metcalf has "screwed up" (meaning an athlete went from great to doing nothing) runners at UW in 2009. Just lay it out. Please.
Yeah those Indiana runners. All of them great high milers and looked to have great potential, but they are nowhere to be seen or heard of. What the heck happened to them? Hubers especially, I thought he would have turned into a super miler. Is he still running?
Yeah what happened?? wrote:
Yeah those Indiana runners. All of them great high milers and looked to have great potential, but they are nowhere to be seen or heard of. What the heck happened to them? Hubers especially, I thought he would have turned into a super miler. Is he still running?
Hubers and Weatherford redshirted, the best time I found for Turner was 8:55 Steeple. Weatherford was 8:54 steeple this season unnattached unless he ran faster somewhere i didnt' see results. As for the 1500 I see Hubers at 3:45 unnattached and a freshman Hoosier andy bayer at 3:44 this season, I see Tim McLoud at just over 30 minutes for the 10k and i believe he ran low 14's for the 5k indoors. Andrew Poore did okay, in my opinion, with his 8:10 ish indoor 3k and sub 14:15 5k. Hubers was just under 14 flat at Mt. SAC and not sure if he ran faster. Their other sophmores are Jacob Laird and cole Hardacre, which I see at 3:52 and 3:49, both at their home meet maybe? and mid and low 14 minute 5k's. that is all at the top of my head and what i was able to look up on their unnattached athletes...but to be honest there could be other good performances unnoticed and as far as I've heard the guys there love the program and are feeling better about it each season.
loosiers wrote:
Ron Helmer and the Indiana Hoosiers. Look at their Sophmore class and tell me how they didnt qualify anyone for nationals. Desean Turner (4:08 high school, 8:57 high school), Ben Hubers (4:04 high school), Andy Weatherford (4:08 high school), Tim Mcleod (14:48 high school) and a bunch of 9:05 guys.
I think a handful of those 9:05 guys are now sub 14:20 5k'ers or sub 8:15 3k'ers.
Eric Peterson of UCLA is an annual candidate for screwing up the most talent. The Bruin men's and women's distance teams once again underachieved in track. Same thing happens year in and year out. It amazes me. I will not send one of my high school athletes there to run. No way.
Damage wrote:
Wayne Angel- Illinois
Angel doesn't coach distance. But U of I distance coach Wendel McRaven has sure f***ed up a lot of talent during his short tenure