Alan Webb... It might be over.

time to quit, because German Fernandez would have won this race

and he's like 18!!

About two weeks ago Manzano ran a 3:56-7 for 1500m...and his career and racing seems to be fine. I think Webb will be ok. He just needs to race a couple more times before USAs and I am sure his form will come around. Lets wait until after Pre before we exclaim that he is in 'real trouble'. If Leo would have listened to all the people on here two weeks ago...he would have promptly bagged the season and would not have been knighted 'the savior of USA 1500m/miling' two weeks later.

People are so keen to see others fail or put them down after a bad performance or season. Seriously...get a life of your own and start training to be in the race with these people...or really just keep quiet about their lackluster performance. It is really hard to preach from the stands while you aren't even winning local 5k/10k or whatever. Long live anonymous and jealous letsrun.com message board critics.

Mike

I don't think we can compare Manzano's one bad race with approaching two bad years for Webb...

Something is def wrong...he needs a more aerodynamic haircut.

You make a great point... Leo's 3:55 in St. Louis was impressive too. But I do not want to see Webb fail. He is just very disappointing. I am not claiming I know something he doesn't, I am not jealous of him. I wish him well and do not like seeing him do poorly.

I agree. I'm glad for Leo, but he'll never be a 3:46 miler. Webb on the other hand, has the raw material to run under 3:45 but he's being cheated by a coach who isn't quite up to snuff and his own failing confidence.

If Webb doesn't change coaches soon it will be a real shame, and a huge waste of talent.

Are you really dumb enough to be blaming his coach here?

He should be running those times in his sleep regardless of horrible coaching.

Hes got health issues going on. That's just flat out obvious.

at this point, rakczo or whatever his name is should resign. and while i want to see webb do well, he will receive no mercy from his supporters for continuing to fumble around and f*** things up. alan is the american record holder in the mile. you don't take a record like that, from a man who earned it every time he stepped on the track, and then proceed straight to the mcdonalds weight room with your high school friends and your comfy coach in tow.

harden the f*** up or just stop, alan.

Webb just isn't the same runner he was in 2007. I'm beginning to think he never will truly comeback, at least not in the 15/mile. It's not rackzco's fault, webb has been successful before under him. Bad coaching is too simplistic of a reason for a 3:46 miler to be stuck around 3:59. If you watch him run, his stride is completely different than it was in 2007, he looks a lot clumsier and maybe a little bigger. One thing is for sure, he always looks like he is straining. Today he looked horrible from the gun.

I guess my point is, that you don't just go from being a 1:43/3:30/3:46 guy to running 3:42 as a result of bad coaching alone. Something is so seriously wrong with him right now just switching coaches isn't going to change a thing, it will just further shatter his confidence if he doesn't immediately turnaround, which he won't. Such a bad rut, isn't going to be reversed in a single season, I don't know what he needs to do, but something or maybe consider retirement.

The guy ran 3:53 in highschool.................IN HIGHSCHOOL!!!!!!

3:42 is a disgrace.

Coaches can do a lot of things for a runner, and if Webb has psychological or confidence issues, a good coach and some good training partners could fix that. Yes, everybody knows Webb ran his great races (3:53 in HS, 3:46 recently) under his current coach. Maybe Razko is the right coach for Webb when his confidence is high, but the wrong coach for him when he needs to be built back up.

Webb has to leave his HS coach. I don't know who or where Webb would go - but he needs a new training environment with a different coach. 2 years and counting and he is at his peak RIGHT NOW.

Maybe you need to lighten up.

Maybe he should talk to Fam and JD.

I've always been supportive of both Webb and Raczko, and I don't know the details, but last year seems to have been a training error which his coach should share at least some of the blame for. And Webb doesn't seem to be close to where he was 2-3 years ago.

Maybe the best move Webb could make right now would be to talk to John Cook, who has worked wonders for others, the latest being Leo.

I'm beginning to wonder, though, if maybe Webb pushed waaaaay too hard for that 3:46. He wasn't the same by the WC, which many of us attributed to riding his peak too long. Maybe there's more to the story that we don't know. If Raczko can't coach, where did the 3:46 and 1:43 come from.

On the desire/psychology side, 3:30, 3:46, and 1:43 would still be a great career if he retires tomorrow (I think Steve Scott would agree). I wonder if that is part of the problem--maybe since the AR, the old desire isn't what it was.

I hope that people truly don't want to see him go down in flames. It just gets depressing always reading about negative posts and hearing people basically excited for the next great debacle. Truth be told, each person trying to be a professional is putting it on the line in racing and training and it doesn't really serve a purpose to blidly criticize.

With that said...I agree that the Alan Webb who ran 27:30 something for 10K and 3:46/1:43 doesn't seem to be the person running today. I hope that he does figure it out. I hope it is not injury or illness. Another poster makes a good point...Razcko got him to these feats...so just blaming him does not seem to be entirely the answer either. Guess we will find out in the next 2-3 weeks what is really going on. If he bounces back quickly then it was a poor race. If not...then it is one more season where he appears to have stumbled.

Coach D wrote:

If Raczko can't coach, where did the 3:46 and 1:43 come from.

They came a week apart (July 21 and 28), and they were more than four weeks before the world championship 1500 final in Osaka, on August 29.

I'm afraid the guy's toast.

Time to direct our collective wishes, hopes, disappointments, and jealousies on someone else.

cuneiform wrote:

at this point, rakczo or whatever his name is should resign. and while i want to see webb do well, he will receive no mercy from his supporters for continuing to fumble around and f*** things up. alan is the american record holder in the mile. you don't take a record like that, from a man who earned it every time he stepped on the track, and then proceed straight to the mcdonalds weight room with your high school friends and your comfy coach in tow.

harden the f*** up or just stop, alan.

what is "the mcdonalds weight room"?

Webb is and has been running everything off of base work this year. He has the standard and does not need to focus on anything other than making the team at nationals. yes it would have been great to see him crank out a 333 today but that isnt the game plan.

How many years does he have to prove people wrong before they really cut him some slack. He's trainng through these races and still running sub 4 mile times. That is impressive.

Well see how far Manzano's 334 takes him when he gets to usa's and has to run the heats. yes he has run them one time before and came through so he should be good to go. other than him and lagat webb is the third member of the team. no one, even the college wunderkid is going to worlds besided these three.

And webb, he'll let us all in on his secret when he stands on the podium receiving his medal.

training though people, training through.