women\'s volleyball (who boasts one of the worst records in the NCAA) has threatened to sue the school, so as a result the athlletics department has cut indoor track as well as outdoor track. One of the best XC programs in the conference (albiet a bad one) no longer as a track program as a result of stupid title IX
I'm assuming you're talking about Quinnipiac University. Do you have a link regarding this? I don't see anything on their website.
they cut their indoor program too??? I thought it was only going to be outdoor??
https://myq.quinnipiac.edu/Announcements/Lists/2007%20Announcements/DispForm_new.aspx?List=0fe1461c%2D6f33%2D4bfb%2D8459%2D280a3487c0e3&ID=1061&RootFolder=%2FAnnouncements%2FLists%2F2007%20Announcements
copy and paste, my stupid comp can't make it an actual link
as much as i dont like them. this is BULLSHIT, what is the university thinking!?!?!?!?!
This link does not work. Please copy and paste the announcement. Thanks.
In light of recent judicial action, Quinnipiac University will eliminate men’s indoor track in addition to the previously announced elimination of men’s golf and men’s outdoor track. The University’s women’s volleyball program will be reinstated.
The University’s Senior Vice President for Academic and Student Affairs will immediately begin a comprehensive review of Quinnipiac’s offices of athletic compliance and the athletic director and where necessary, will make appropriate changes in the athletics department to ensure that Title IX reported participation numbers for all men’s and women’s athletic teams are accurate and adhered to by all coaches.
During the 2009-10 year, the University will also be able to determine actual, as opposed to projected, participation numbers for its newly added women’s sport of competitive cheer.
i know what title IX is..and i don't like it.
but, when did title IX originate?
and what was it in response to?
is there any way that the ncaa will get rid of it?
because anyway i try to wrap my mind around it, it doesn't make sense.
i see problems with it at numerous schools, but this qu stuff is just out of control, someone needs to do something about it.
they cut two mens/womens sports (indoor+outdoor) to make room for volleyball and competitive cheerleading===>the world is f***ed
ughhhhhhhhh wrote:
women's volleyball (who boasts one of the worst records in the NCAA) has threatened to sue the school, so as a result the athlletics department has cut indoor track as well as outdoor track. One of the best XC programs in the conference (albiet a bad one) no longer as a track program as a result of stupid title IX
Title nine certainly isn't perfect, but put the blame where it lies....on QU. They've had a LONG time to rectify things....i'm not really sure how this is enforces, or why it is randomly enforced years later...or if schools are just making it up....i mean who is enforcing this and why 09/10? Why not last year or the year before? every year we hear about title 9 cuts...there doesnt' seem to be any pattern to enforcement.
Regardless there are many things they could have done other than cut track. at least they are adding a sport to help from having to cut too many sports. But they could ahve done more, and have had a long time to get in compliance.
ughhhhhhhhh wrote:
During the 2009-10 year, the University will also be able to determine actual, as opposed to projected, participation numbers for its newly added women’s sport of competitive cheer.
Competitive cheer (aka cheerleading) is NOT a sport!
This is f***ing bullshitz
Where is the jackass who a few months ago was defending Jack McDonald saying how he was a track guy at heart and was very supportive of the team. My question is "where is your messiah now?" The guys a bumb. Hate to say it but I told ya! Dude sold you all down the river. For Shame.
Of course Title IX is to blame. Like most other social engineering experiments, it was poorly thought out and has had ramifications that were not considered before it was rammed through by its angry, man-hating lesbian constituency.
Title IX is a congressional mandate. It says that schools receiving any federal funding (which, since it includes Pell Grants and the like, basically includes all of them except some very sectarian institutions e.g. Bob Jones University used to not be in this class, they may have changed) must provide equal educational opportunities for women. It was in response to schools not providing equal educational opportunities to women. I believe it originated in the 70s, but I'm sure somebody more knowledgeable than me can say for sure. The NCAA cannot get rid of it, since it is not an NCAA mandate, but a congressional one.
a runner wrote:
i know what title IX is..and i don't like it.
but, when did title IX originate?
and what was it in response to?
is there any way that the ncaa will get rid of it?
because anyway i try to wrap my mind around it, it doesn't make sense.
i see problems with it at numerous schools, but this qu stuff is just out of control, someone needs to do something about it.
they cut two mens/womens sports (indoor+outdoor) to make room for volleyball and competitive cheerleading===>the world is f***ed
Title IX - Education Amendments of 1972
“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance”
No where does it same WOMEN…please read it again…like on 60 Minutes episode mentioned “why is this only being used in sports, not in academics.”
Title IX has been interpreted to say if 50 percent of the student body is women, than 50 percent of the sport opportunities and scholarships should be for women.
Is this used in giving academic scholarships and are we requiring equal representation in academic classes???
When will this cutting of men’s sports - especially track and field stop!!
Thanks for providing the exact wording. You are right that it does not say women. However, given the context of the time and the enforcement it is clear that was the target.
I do not know about other uses of Title IX in litigation and enforcement. In sports, many of the enforcement decisions of the court have been driven by suits from students and other effected parties, i.e. they are not initiated by the Justice Department or other entity. Men are also eligible to file suit, I know Equity in Athletics filed a suit against JMU--but at least in that case they have not been noticeably successful to date. Other times Univerisites have cut sports citing the need to pre-emptively lower the risk of suits against the University.
Some funding is definitely targeted at academic and scholarship programs. Science departments, for example, sometimes offer special grants or incentives to try to increase the number of women in their programs. Interestingly, one of the local university administrators (who happens to be female) said that the education department had asked to use some diversity funding to recruit more males to teaching because they were under represented. They were basically laughed out of the room.
Wake me when this happens to a program that matters at all.
So their track & field program is out? Bastards!
P.S. McDonald is a fake and a douchebag.
KnowItAll wrote:
Wake me when this happens to a program that matters at all.
Well heres the thing, if this keeps happening to the smaller schools someday it will happen to a major program. Ultimatley I know everyone on letsrun likes to talk like they either compete in the PAC 10, Big 12 or Big 10 and will eventually make the Olympics, but the reality is that for 99.9% of NCAA athletes when those 4 years are done, they will never run again in an environment as competitive as their conference meets and will be relegated to the world of 5K runs for fitness and fun. Im sorry that this doesn't matter to you, but for the guys on that team that bust their ass everyday to be the best they can be this matters a lot.