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Americo.
What states have not had a sub 4 mile on their soil?
Is there an update on this anywhere? malmo?
You missed a few from Minnesota. Gerry Lindgren, Ben Blankenship, John Simons, Elliott Heath, Hassan Mead, Eric Finan, Travis Burkstrand.
Gandobar wrote:
WI (7)-3:54.70 Steve Lacy 1979, Ben Gregory, Tim Hacker, Gabe Jennings, Ryan Kleinmenhagen, Chris Solinsky, Mark Winzenried
This is a list of first sub-4 occurrences for athletes in WI. These are not necessarily their PBs. In parenthesis are their high schools. I am too lazy to list affiliations at the time of breaking 4.
3:59.50 - Mar 4, 1972: Mark Winzenried (Monroe)
3:59.64 - May 27, 1978: Steve Lacy (McFarland)
3:55.70 - Jun 05, 1988: Tim Hacker (Menomonee Falls)
3:59.32 - Apr 19, 1998 Gabe Jennings (Madison East)
3:59.00 - Jan 28, 2006: Ryan Kleimenhagen (Oak Creek)
3:57.80 - May 06, 2006 Chris Solinsky (Stevens Point)
3:59.69 - Jun 02, 2007 Ben Gregory (Racine Park)
3:58.92 - Apr 25, 2009: Tommy Schmitz (Dodgeville/Mineral Point)
3:59.98 - Mar 03, 2012: Joe Stilin (Milwaukee Rufus King)
3:57.59 - Mar 03, 2012: John Mickowski (Mukwonago)
3:59.32 - Mar 02, 2013: John Simons (Arrowhead)
3:58.21 - Feb 08, 2014: Sam Penzenstadler (Oshkosh West)
Colorado Pat Porter???? The legend in Alamosa is that he could run 4:01's all day with a minute or two rest between each. But at that stage of his career, he was a 10K guy.
Gandobar wrote:
You missed a few from Minnesota. Gerry Lindgren, Ben Blankenship, John Simons, Elliott Heath, Hassan Mead, Eric Finan, Travis Burkstrand.
when this thread was started in 2008, the list was accurate--most of the names you mention above have been since then (as far as i can tell). however, lindgren never broke 4; his bests in the mile and 1500 were 4:01.5/3:44.6...
Lindgren didn't break 4:00 and he wasn't from Minnesota.
Didn't check your numbers but I'm guessing the populations you used are current estimates whereas the # of sub 4 milers are cumulative counts over the years. Therefore, it seems like the per capita estimate would be less than 1 in a million nationwide. Do we think there are currently 300 or so Americans capable of running sub 4 in some rolling 12 month period? How many have done so in the last 12 months (or even have a 1500 equivalent)?
300, at any given, time seems even a little bit high. how many runners in the NCAA this YEAR could break 4, let alone all the post collegiates who are clinging to sub 4 ability...?
Clearly no, but it would be pretty tedious to do this based on per million people born in the state to be more accurate or per million who went to high school there.
I think this is a pretty accurate measure. It still would be nice to get it updated as clearly there are MANY more sub-4 milers since this list was made.
to update at least a couple of questions pondered on this thread:
alaska has one native to break 4 in the mile (trevor dunbar), and one dude breaking it on alaskan soil (jack bolas)...
yomama wrote:
Is there an update on this anywhere?
I've been updating my database since I created this list & posted it on t-n-f (darkwing) in 2002. I've also expanded it to include all the equivalent sub 4:00 1500s (3:42.23). Want to see it with or without the 1500s?
Do it with them but indicate if it's a 1500m or 1600m conversion. Thanks!
Michigan always has the best runners.
Keith Forman was from Mass. then went to BC and moved to Oregon post collegiate. He is not an Oregonian.
Travis Burkstrand almost did it this year (4:00.004), but not quite.
Eric Finan is from Ohio.
Also to be added to the Ohio sub-4 list:
Jake Edwards
Cory Leslie
Ponce... wrote:
Keith Forman was from Mass. then went to BC and moved to Oregon post collegiate. He is not an Oregonian.
Keith Forman graduated from Cleveland HS (Portland OR) in 1959
http://pilhalloffame.org/cybermuseum/product_info.php?products_id=511Updated my list thru 2014
All US sub 4-minute milers by state
based on where they graduated from high school
427 total
CA (53)- Brian Abshire, AJ Acosta, Kyle Alcorn, Dan Aldridge, Ed Arriola, Frank Assumma, Jeff Atkinson, Eric Avila, Scott Bauhs, Brandon Bethke, Richie Boulet, Don Bowden, James Cameron, Andy Clifford, Michael Coe, Ron Cornell, Paul Cummings, Christian Cushing-murray, Tim Danielson, Marc Davis, Bob Day, Joe Fabris, German Fernandez, Mac Fleet, Ernie Freer, Mark Fricker, John Garrison, Matt Giusto, Paul Greer, Morgan Groth, Ronnie Harris, Jordan Horn, Thom Hunt, Gordon Johnson, Harold Kuphaldt, Gary Lewis, Matt Maldanado, Mark Mutusak, Doug Padilla, Kyle Alcorn, John Rankin, Mark Schilling, Steve Scott, Bob Seaman, Tom Smith, Steve Sodaro, Jim Sorensen , Michael Stember, Brian Theriot, David Torrence, Greg Whiteley, Ray Wicksell, Jay Woods
NY (36)- Thomas Awad, Mark Belger, Elliott Blount, Barry Brown, Dick Buerkle, Matt Centrowitz, Ross Donoghue, Vince Draddy, Byron Dyce, Anthony Famiglietti, Denis Fikes, Jesse Garn, John Gregorek, Alex Hatz, Kyle Heath, Marty Hemsley, Jason Jabaut, Brian Kivlan, Lopez Lomong, Charles Marsala, Craig Masback, Josh McDougal, Benny McIntosh, Charlie McMullen, Kyle Merber, Chad Noelle, Tom Nohilly, Don Paige, Karl Paranya, Bill Rathbun, Mike Stahr, Brad Sumner, Karl Thornton, John Trautmann, Erik Van Ingen, Mike Wyatt
IL (23)- Scott Anderson, Tim Broe, Tom Brooks, Peter Callahan, Mark Deady, Chris Derrick, Mike Durkin, Darryl Frerker, Richie Harris, Dan Huling, Evan Jager, Lee LaBadie, Tom O'Hara, Stephen Pifer, Ken Popejoy, Don Sage, Len Sitko, Eddie Slowikowski, Jim Spivey, Dan Strackeljahn, Jeff Thode, Dorian Ulrey, Rick Wohlhuter
WA (23)- Austin Abbott, Laef Barnes, Mike Blackmore, Scott Daggatt, Roscoe Divine, Eric Garner, Greg Gibson, Gary Gustafson, Abdi Hassan, Jim Johnson, Buck Jones, Chris Katon, Chris Lukezic, Alex McClary, Andy McClary, Jordan McNamara, Shane Moskowitz, John Quade, Rick Riley, Bruce Stirling, Karl Van Calcar, Michael Williams, Izaic Yorks
OH (21)- Colby Alexander, Tom Byers, Macklin Chaffee, Ian Connor, Mark Dailey, Jake Edwards, Chris Estwanik, Chris Fallon, Eric Finan, Steve Foster, Roosevelt Jackson, Tony Jordanek, Bob Kennedy, Brannon Kidder, Cory Leslie, Reggie McAfee, Rob Myers, Kevin Ryan, Bob Schul, Jeff See, Dave Wottle
OR (21)- Gary Barger, Bryan Berryhill, Dan Browne, Dyrol Burleson, Mark Feig, Keith Forman, Jim Grelle, Jamey Harris, Jim Howarth, Ken Martin, Bill McChesney, Michael McGrath, Mike Miller, Matt Miner, Keith Munson, Dub Myers, Steve Prefontaine, Grant Robison, Galen Rupp, Steve Savage, Dave Wilborn
TX (21)- Darren Brown, Alan Culpepper, Reed Fischer, Paul Geis, Gawain Guy, Todd Harbour, Eric Henry, Len Hilton, Kyle King, Jason Lunn, Leonel Manzano, Kyle Miller, Duncan Phillips, Aaron Ramirez, Reuben Reina, Richard Romo, Blake Shaw, Matt Taylor, Patrick Todd, Jon Warren, Dave Wittman
NJ (19)- Robby Andrews, Jim Crawford, Jeramy Elkaim, Brian Gallagher, Christian Gonzalez, Brett Johnson, Roger Jones, Rich Kenah, Michael Kerrigan, Marty Liquori, Travis Mahoney, Jim McKeon, Rob Novak, Ford Palmer, John Richardson, Cliff Sheehan, Mark Sivieri, Steve Slattery, Ron Speirs
MI (17)- Michael Atchoo, Liam Boylan-Pett , Daniel Clark, Brian Diemer, Jordan Disilets, Gerry Donakowski, Tom Duits, Dan Heikkinen, Brian Hyde, Earl Jones, Shane Knoll, Paul McMullen, Greg Meyer, Mike Michno, Derek Scott, Steve Sherer, Justin Switzer
PA (17)- Steve Ave, Sam Bair Jr, Sam Bair III, John Baker, Owen Dawson, Jack Fath, Greg Fredericks, Aaron Lanzel, Dan Lowry, Larry Mangan, Craig Miller, Jim Norris, Jerry Richey, Michael Rutt, Pat Traynor , Paul Vandegrift, Cary Weisiger
VA (17)- Ibrahim Aden, Bill Burke, Andrew Colley, Donnie Cowart, Sam Gabremenian, Michael Hammond, Jim Hill, Kevin Johnson, Sharif Karie, Seneca Lassiter, Jason Long, Juris Luzins, Howell Michael, Clay Schwabe, Tyler Stutzman, Alan Webb, Ryan Witt
MN (13)- Ben Blankenship, Rob Finnerty, Sean Graham, Elliott Heath, Garrett Heath, Steve Holman, Jeff Jirele, Will Leer, Ted Nelson, Steve Plasencia, Mike Slack, Jake Watson, Luke Watson
WI (12)- Ben Gregory, Tim Hacker, Gabe Jennings, Ryan Kleimenhagen, Steve Lacy, John Mickowski, Sam Penzenstadler, Tommy Schmitz, John Simons, Chris Solinsky, Joe Stilin, Mark Winzenried
KS (10)- Christian Smith, Dwight Davis, Bill Dotson, Steve Fein, John Lawson, John Mason, Keith Palmer, Jim Ryun, Archie San Romani Jr., Ken Swenson
MA (9)- Said Ahmed, Mark Coogan, Andy Downin, Brian Gagnon, Jonathon Riley, Brad Schlapak, Darren Shearer, Ed Spinney, Tim Ritchie
MO (9)- Jacob Boone, Michael Cox, Joe Falcon, Nick Happe, Ray Hughes, Jason Pyrah, Dan Quigley, Matt Tegenkamp
NC (9)- Jim Beatty, Jack Bolas, Andrew Colley, Dylan Ferris, Taylor Gilland, Ryan Hill, Bobby Mack, Isaac Presson, Tony Waldrop
IN (8)- Andy Bayer, Terry Brahm, Rudy Chapa, Jordan Fife, Austin Mudd, James Murphy, Andrew Poore, De’Sean Turner
CO (6)- Ted Castaneda, Adam Goucher, Charlie Gruber, Rick Musgrave, Maurice Smith, Dey Tuach
MD (6)- Matthew Centrowitz, Robby Creese, Matt Holthaus, Andrew Jesien, Dave Patrick, Bob Wheeler
UT (6)- Miles Batty, Wade Bell, Bryan Lindsay, Kyle Perry, Nate Robison, Jeremy Tolman
CT (5)- Richard Block, Donn Cabral, Kevin King, Steve Wheeler, Dan Wilson
FL (5)- David Freeman, Tommy Fulton, Brian Jaeger, John Jefferson, Sean Jefferson
ME (5)- Will Geoghegan, Matt Lane, Riley Masters, Eric Nedeau, Ben True
NM (5)- Chuck Aragon, David Krummenacker, Dan Maas, Ryan McNiff, George Young
AZ (4)- George Alex, Eric Harasyn, Chuck LaBenz, Brandon Strong
IA (4)- Blake Boldon, Jerome Howe, Tyler Mulder, Randy Wilson
ID (4)- Rick Bergesen, Jerald Jones, Nick Symmonds, Tom Von Ruden
NH (4)- Russell Brown, Eric Jenkins, Sean O'Brien, Andrew Wheating
OK (4)- Frezer Legesse, Mike Manke, Larry Rose, Mark Thompson
LA (3)- Jeremy Huffman, Shannon Lemora, Ryan Travis
RI (3)- Adam Dixon, Bruce Fischer, Phil Kane
AL (2)- Steve Bolt, Patrick McGregor
AR (2)- Brian Baker, Daniel Lincoln
HI (2)- Duncan Macdonald, Henry Marsh
KY (2)- Bobby Curtis, Matt Hillenbrand
MT (2)- Patrick Casey, Scott McGowan
NE (2)- David Adams, Greg Carlberg
SC (2)- Matt Elliott, Terrance Herrington
SD (2)- Steve Heidenreich, Jeff Schemmel
TN (2)- Andrew Bumbalough, Bob Whelan
AK (1)- Trevor Dunbar
GA (1)- Kirubel Erassa
ND (1)- Corey Imhels
WV (1)- Chris Fox
* Washington, DC (1)-Bob Lesko
* Ireland (1)- Shane Healy
* Kenya (1)- Bernard Lagat
* South Africa (1)- Sydney Maree
Zero - DE, MS, NV, VT, WY
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