Joe Franklin to attempt Sub 4 mile at Golden South

I think he can do it, his 148 was pretty impressive. good luck to him.

He makes Florida proud! The guy broke 2 in middle school, he can do it.

tvsleep wrote:

I think he can do it, his 148 was pretty impressive. good luck to him.

Ask George Kersh about that 1:48.

I don't know who kersh is. I was talking about franklins negative split 148.

CoachB wrote:

Ask George Kersh about that 1:48.

So you've joined hundreds of others in the ranks of blind negativity on this forum. Duly noted. But if your head wasn't exploring the decor inside your ascending colon, you might note that Franklin is a much better distance guy (in both cross country and in the 3200) then Kersh was, and as a result clearly has a lot more 1500/mile potential.

I can name a number of sub-four guys and near-subbers who didn't run as fast as Franklin already has in the 800, and high-schoolers can make unusually big leaps in a single race.

In short, I hope you aren't really a coach.

if you think he can do it youre stupid. 4:05 at best.

Thirsty Moose wrote:

Joe has quite a few sub 4:10's under his belt, and has just recently run 1:48.xx in the 800m.

He's been under 4:10 for 1600 once but best of luck to him, anyways.

I wish I lived down in Florida and didnt have a race that day because I would love to pace Joe for the first 1200.(but I dont so thats irrelevant in so many ways)

Anyways, GOOD LUCK JOE!!!!!!! Joe is going to surprise some people and even if he doesn't actually go sub 4 I think this may get the US#1 at the very least.

-g2g4gold

I thought he broke 4:10 once this year and once last year. He looked very easy at state this year in the 1,600. He went through 800 in 2:01 and didn't look stressed at all. I think he can break 4:05. Under 4 is another matter.

best of luck joe! i know you can do it! dream big! these people who say that there's no way obviously are pretty jealous.

"if you can dream it, you can do it." -walt disney

Joe Franklin the New Mexico Coach?

Not Your Parents Bullsh*tter wrote:

But if your head wasn't exploring the decor inside your ascending colon, you might note that Franklin is a much better distance guy (in both cross country and in the 3200) then Kersh was, and as a result clearly has a lot more 1500/mile potential.

you mean the same george kersh that was 3rd in the 1986 kinney South region, running 15:16? and who set the golden south mile record in 1987 - running 4:08 solo?

and the same joe franklin who ran 16:23 at the FL south meet this year?

Only a handful of people have had legit claims at running sub4 in HS in the last decade - Webb, Hall, Magness, Sage. Running a 1:48 and a sub 4:10 does not put you in their league. You can't be in need of a prayer going entering the race like this kid does. Rather, as was the case with Webb, it's just a matter of if you bring the A game during your peak. Magness was pooping out 4:02 like he mixed ex-lax with his protein shakes, and Sage and Hall were also dancing within 4min. for multiple seasons.

I wish this kid luck, but really it's not going to happen. People just get excited when there's talk.

Don't forget wonderboy.

None of my business, but I'd hate to see a high school kid put in a situation where running a 4:02 mile and PR'ing would be considered a "failure" somehow. So yeah, find a rabbit for whatever pace, but is advertising it so openly as a "sub-4" attempt really smart?

As for the divergent opinions on whether he can do it, well, that's part of what makes watching track interesting, no?

maybe this weakens the argument that African Americans can not run well at distance events. wish this young man all the luck in the world.

it'll depend a lot on what his endurance, strength, and stamina are like. sage ran 8:42(3200m) and 14:03(3 mile at detweiler park) and 14:32 5k behind ritz the year before. webb was also well-known for his strength and endurance in xc as was hall. another name that was more mid-90's was stember, and i believe he ran somewhere in the 4:02-4:04 range but was making attempts to get past the 4:00 barrier. i wish franklin would cross over to the other side, but he's going to need a lot of endurance, and that's not something he can start working on now and expect it to be there in time of the race. my only advice:

watch out for the 3rd lap

Joe is looking really strong right now. His previous stats don't really back up what he is capable of. He ran a 1:48 and a 1:50 the last couple of weeks... neither one was an ideal race at all. He negative split the 1:48 and (watch the video on flrunners) clearly had more (blew by the rabbit with 200 to go who was taking him to 1:50 pace). That race was the eye-opener. Then he ran a 1:50 last weekend in a really stupid split race... went out in 49. If he goes out in 52-53 for an 800 look out.

He is not as fast at upper distances as Webb, Sage, etc... he ran 15:23ish in cross country and 9:13 I think for 3200.

But he's got enough endurance for the mile. In a perfect race... who knows.

He has stated his goal of sub 4 for a while (since cross at least). I don't think he's going into Golden South with a sub 4 attempt as much as some people are making it out to be. I think he is just going after the state record of 4:03ish. If he breaks out and goes under 4 woohoo

Not Your Parents Bullsh*tter wrote:

CoachB wrote:

Ask George Kersh about that 1:48.

So you've joined hundreds of others in the ranks of blind negativity on this forum. Duly noted. But if your head wasn't exploring the decor inside your ascending colon, you might note that Franklin is a much better distance guy (in both cross country and in the 3200) then Kersh was, and as a result clearly has a lot more 1500/mile potential.

I can name a number of sub-four guys and near-subbers who didn't run as fast as Franklin already has in the 800, and high-schoolers can make unusually big leaps in a single race.

In short, I hope you aren't really a coach.

Yes, I really am a coach. I threw Kersh's name out there because I remember when he and Paul Vandergift had an official "attempt" at a sub 4 mile. At that time, it had already been close to 20 years since the last one and it got quite a bit of publicity. There was a Sports Illustrated article on the attempt. I'm going off the top of my head here, but I think Vandergift won in 4:04-4:05.

I've been around long enough to know that sub 4 at the high school level doesn't come along that often.

I wasn't trying to be negative nor was I trying to insult anybody. Just wanted to point out that Kersh has a slew of sub 1:48s (HS PR of 1:46.58) under his belt when he took a crack at the 4 min mile.