WORLD RECORDS

you might want to upgrade kip to maybe 1'40-flat, as if he hadn't been dragged around in a suicidal 1st lap in his zurich 1'41.2, he'd probably have mid-1'40 that day off a 49.5

also hicham finished of his 3'26.00 in ~ 53s - he was too slow at the bell - maybe a 3'25.0 - 3'25.5 that day if the pacer couda dragged him thru smoothly in ~ 2'31

ryun probably couda gone 1'42.0 & 3'27.0 in his '67 form if he'd just run it on a modern synthetic, with no other embellishments

Yeah, wilsons firrst lap was pretty suicidical, good point

So true, Ventolin.

I agree with every word.

quiet day, something to stir the pot

trying this :

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

we might get some insight into geb & kennster :

- kennster has run a few 1500s & his best is 3'32.35, but he seems to be cursed in getting crappy paced races - usually with terribly slow 3rd lap from wabbit

i think his current ability is 3'31 under ideal conditions

now with current best 5k ability of between 12'35 - 12'37, that gives :

3'31.0

with 12'37 ->~

51.55 , 1'48.05 , 4'46.46 , 7'20.54 , 26'15.79

with 12'36 ->~

51.64 , 1'48.13 , 4'46.37 , 7'20.19 , 26'12.64

with 12'35 ->~

51.73 , 1'48.22 , 4'46.27 , 7'19.85 , 26'09.49

i'd have to go with last line - he possibly is capable of `` 26'10 & ~ 7'20 ( only thing i'm not happy with is his 400, as he has run 52+ flying on last laps of slow-races ( worth 53+ open 400 ) but it may be he doesn't get tired much in slow races & can bring nearly all his basic 400 speed to a last lap )

- as for geb : he had a 3'31i, which obviously indicates ~

50.99 - 51.08 , 1'47.24 - 1'47.32 , 4'45.35 - 4'45.45 , 7'19.34 - 7'19.69 , 26'16.48 - 26'19.63

with 3'29.5 ->~

50.71 - 50.80 , 1'46.83 - 1'46.92 , 4'44.84 - 4'44.94 , 7'18.92 - 7'19.27 , 26'18.40 - 26'21.55

with 3'29.0 ->~

50.43 - 50.52 , 1'46.43 - 1'46.51 , 4'44.34 - 4'44.43 , 7'18.50 - 7'18.84 , 26'20.32 - 26'23.47

i think the middle line fits him best : 3'29.5 / 7'19 / 26'20

i don't think he had much to take off his 26'22wr ( maybe 3 or 4s at most )

i'd have to go with kennster being decisevely better in a paced 10k race & capable of "breaking" geb

That stuff is awesome, pretty cool predictions. More food for thought on this topic, i think Steve Ovett could have run <3.27, because his training was haphazard and poorly planned. He got through just on talent, and his pacemakers and race tactics just weren't right for a fast time

edit : paragraph for geb got cut :

3'31i indicating < ~3'30 outdoors & 5k time used of 12'36 - 12'37 as his 12'39 was run with a poor 4th km & he finished off with a 2'29 last km - possibly 12'36 - 12'37 off ideal pace that day

ovett couda gone 3'30 in '78 ( it's debateable whether he was ever actually better than that afterwards ) but didn't go for the paced races thruout

in '78 he ran 1'44.09 / 8'13.51 ->~

47.42 , 2'13.83 , 3'30.89 , 3'48.15 , 4'50.78 , 7'36.46

but this is just the tip of the iceberg : both those clockings were in races & not paced record attempts - he was worth much quicker in such ( look at youtube for them & the splits ) - maybe 1'43.5 & 8'10 - 8'12

1'43.5 with

8'12 ->~

47.07 , 2'13.14 , 3'29.97 , 3'47.18 , 4'49.66 , 7'35.01

8'10 ->~

47.20 , 2'13.04 , 3'29.55 , 3'46.68 , 4'48.84 , 7'33.24

i can see him having gone 3'29 but not much quicker - compare him to morceli - similar over 800 but morceli had 7'25 endurance which allowed him to get down to 3'27

Yeah i agree, but with better coaching and more specialised training he would have been conditioned better for the 800/mile, and been able to take use his natural spped and strength better

I think rono would have the 3km stp, 5 and 10km WR's.

Elliot the 1500m.

Snell the 800m.

Aussie wrote:

If everyone in history had the pacing, training, nutrition, technology, etc of today, and ran to their FULL POTENTIAL, what would the distance world records be and who would hold them? I reckon:

800- Kipketer 1.40.6

1500- Jim Ryun 3.25.1

Mile- El Guerrouj 3.42.2

3000- Daniel Komen 7.18.5

5000- Bekele 12.35

10000- Gebrselassie 26.13

so you think these quite recent athletes are genetically superior to the older ones?

What was Kipketer's 400 split in that race at Zurich?

48.3 (and I think he hit 22 high for the 200 !!! but it may have been 23-low, he opened in 23.8 in his 1:41.11)

Kipketer's three 1:41's from 1997 (including Zurich):

1:41.11 - 23.8, 25.5 [49.3], 25.3 [1:14.6], 26.5 - [49.3/51.8] - Cologne (8/24/97)

1.41.24 - 23.0, 25.3 [48.3], 26.2 [1:14.5], 26.7 - [48.3/52.9] - Zurich (8/14/97)

1:41.73 - 24.0, 25.6 [49.6], 26.7 [1:16.3], 25.4 - [49.6/52.1] - Stockholm (7/07/97)

Coe's 1:41.73 WR splits:

1:41.73 - 24.4, 25.3 [49.7], 25.3 [1:15.0], 26.7 - (49.7/52.0)

All splits from Oct and Nov. 1997 issues of TFN.