John Molvar's 9-weeks-to-100-MPW buildup plan.

Don't do it. I tried. Not smart. Ended up with AT. If you are going to attempt it, stay in each phase for a month rather than a week. The best rule though is to listen to your body. It has all of the answers.

actually, peter snell built to 100 mpw in singles in like 3 weeks, that might be a little quick but he had no one to scare him away from trying, seriously, people need to quit being pussies and run the mileage, ive built to 100 mpw in less than 9 weeks with no trouble at all, i think its the shoes today, they mess with our natural stride cause injuries, snell ran in shoes that were light with plenty of cushing and flat. lydiard doesnt specify how long it should take, he says its up to the runner to decide when they are ready

Not gonna lie, Molvar is kind of a dick to Nobby.

lydiardrulz wrote:

actually, peter snell built to 100 mpw in singles in like 3 weeks, that might be a little quick but he had no one to scare him away from trying, seriously, people need to quit being pussies and run the mileage, ive built to 100 mpw in less than 9 weeks with no trouble at all, i think its the shoes today, they mess with our natural stride cause injuries, snell ran in shoes that were light with plenty of cushing and flat. lydiard doesnt specify how long it should take, he says its up to the runner to decide when they are ready

Yea, but you and I are not Peter Snell.

When I started running again in grad school I actually did go from 0 (or close to it, but with riding and volleyball thrown in)) to 100mpw in about that time span. I started at the beginning of August and hit 100 in October - I was going to run a marathon in late October (Santa Barbara?) but shin splints (surprise) delayed me until Culver City at the beginning of December and I had a month (31 days) with close to 500 miles. Ran 2:52, which was not too bad for someone that barely made his JV XC team (7th man senior year until the last meet).

Take a skinny, elf-like man with perfect biomechanics who has been at 100 miles a week before for a few years, let him sleep 12 hours a night, give him massages twice a week, let him do doubles on flat soft trails at any pace he likes with no workouts a week and 0--->100 in 9 weeks is realistic.

But for those who have any mechanical flaws who have never been at 100mpw before, cannot sleep till 10am everyday, do not have a masseur, run on the hilly roads and have external stresses in our lives apart from running,

0--->100mpw in 9 weeks is very unrealistic.

Who's Molvar? Just wondering cause I never heard of him.

Lydiard wrote that a reasonably healthy man should be able to get to 100 mile weeks in about six months. In the New Zealand of the early 60s, the average American of today would not have been thought of as "reasonably healthy", so we could interpret this to mean "physically active". Take someone who already exercises in some way, give him six months, don't care about pace, and it doesn't sound crazy to get the guy to 100M weeks.

I can't seem to get past 65mpw w/o getting injured, so it's not about desire, or aerobic fitness, it's about keeping the tendons, cartliage, etc... from flamming up and keeping me on the side lines.

Who's Molvar? What's he done? Who's he coached?

Where did you get the information that Snell built to 100 s

miles in three weeks? This is the same Snell who was in tears after his first Waitairua? The same Snell who told me that he typically ran about 70-80 miles a week during his build ups and who managed to hiy 100 a "few" times except for his Tokyo build up (at least 6 years into his career) when he ran 1,011 miles in ten weeks?

Snell struggled with distance work. It may be that at some point in his career, after he'd done build ups and went through the entire cycle he was able to do a hundred mile week three weeks in, but to 100 in three weeks from nothing? Where did you find that?

carliage flammer wrote:

Who's Molvar? What's he done? Who's he coached?

exactly.

Molvar, from my year's of seeing his crap in various running forums, is an oddball who watches a lot of running and thinks he knows more than he does. He's arrogant despite little to back it up.

He coaches at Gordon College, a team that many of the local hs teams could beat. Giving him some credit, they are improved in his 2 year tenure.

His bio, short, is on the Gordon website.

5000 is also a number so why don't we all try and run that many miles each next week...i'm game...not 100% sure i'll make it too tuesday though...........although if we spend 9 weeks building up to it maybe...

redundant wrote:

Not gonna lie, Molvar is kind of a dick to Nobby.

From Molvar's bio: An avid student of the sport, Molvar has studied many of the dominant training systems over the years and is an expert on the coaching principles of Arthur Lydiard, arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Maybe he doesn't care for Nobby because Nobby's a real Lydiard expert?

I wonder how many of his athletes he had try that build-up....and I wonder how many got hurt.

From what I can recall about Molvar's posts on Lydiard, he had no idea what he was talking about.

He put his own ideas in and took out others....the hill phase for one.

Had no understanding of the Lydiard "system" whatsoever other than "run a lot".

wondering... wrote:

I wonder how many of his athletes he had try that build-up....and I wonder how many got hurt.

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fUrCeOsNhN wrote:

Take a skinny, elf-like man with perfect biomechanics who has been at 100 miles a week before for a few years, let him sleep 12 hours a night, give him massages twice a week, let him do doubles on flat soft trails at any pace he likes with no workouts a week and 0--->100 in 9 weeks is realistic.

But for those who have any mechanical flaws who have never been at 100mpw before, cannot sleep till 10am everyday, do not have a masseur, run on the hilly roads and have external stresses in our lives apart from running,

0--->100mpw in 9 weeks is very unrealistic.

Not at all unrealistic for many 'reasonable level' runners - I managed it quite easily, have been over 100mpw for several months since then, and have not had a single injury.

BTW, I was not particularly skinny, nor elf-like, averaged about 50-60mpw previously, sleep 6-7hrs per night (12? are you serious?), work full time, never had a massage, run on hilly roads, and still completed faster workouts throughout.

Get a grip and quit the excuses.

fUrCeOsNhN wrote:

Take a skinny, elf-like man with perfect biomechanics who has been at 100 miles a week before for a few years, let him sleep 12 hours a night, give him massages twice a week, let him do doubles on flat soft trails at any pace he likes with no workouts a week and 0--->100 in 9 weeks is realistic.

But for those who have any mechanical flaws who have never been at 100mpw before, cannot sleep till 10am everyday, do not have a masseur, run on the hilly roads and have external stresses in our lives apart from running,

0--->100mpw in 9 weeks is very unrealistic.

Not at all unrealistic for many 'reasonable level' runners - I managed it quite easily, have been over 100mpw for several months since then, and have not had a single injury.

BTW, I was not particularly skinny, nor elf-like, averaged about 50-60mpw previously, sleep 6-7hrs per night (12? are you serious?), work full time, never had a massage, run on hilly roads, and still completed faster workouts throughout.

Get a grip and quit the excuses. Maybe 9 weeks is not ideal, but if you are serious about running, get your mileage up there, ASAP.

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