Oldest Collegiate School Records: Olympic Champs Charlie Moore's 400mH Record Falls

I know Harvard has an old one from 1921. Ned Gourdin in the Long Jump with a leap of 25'3. It was also a WR at the time.

110y, 220y, 440y, 880y, 3 mile, 6 mile.

Georgetown has some old ones on the books:

100y: 9.6 Arthur Duffey 1902 IC4A meet (WR at the time)

Not contested anymore, but up until 1990 or so, no one at gtown had run the equivalent over 100m (somewhere around 10.7 100m) - that's 88 years!

Decathlon:

7351 Emerson Norton 1924 Olympics (Silver Medal)

(based on the 1912 tables)

Again, with some old scoring tables, but since 1937 no Hoya has topped even 5600 points, making Norton's mark still way superior to anything recently.

Not quite as impressive, but at Dartmouth, Gerald Ashworth, who was on the 1964 Olympic 4x100 relay team, still has the 200-meter record of 21.20, dating back to 1963.

I think from the last time this topic appeared the apparent winner was the long jump record at the University of Vermont. Albert Gutterson jumped 24-11 in 1912 and it is still the record.

It seems that the long jump tends to show up because there haven't been many major changes to technique. Ned Gourdin's Harvard record has already been commented on. The Irish national record (24-11.5) was held by Peter O'Connor for a whopping 89 years. DeHart Hubbard held the LJ record (25-10) at Michigan from 1925 to 1980, and it is still 2nd. Al Kraenzlein is still on the Top 10 at Penn with a jump from 1899.

Jesse Owens outdoor long jump record for Ohio State is a long standing one.

1936 to current.

gooeeeeeeee wrote:

Jesse Owens outdoor long jump record for Ohio State is a long standing one.

1936 to current.

Not only that, but check out this stat, courtesy of Kevin Sullivan himself!:

"Just looking over the Big10 meet records and Jesse Owens still owns the Championship record in the long jump at 26'08.25", set in 1935 up in Ann Arbor."

University of Chicago:

4 x 100m relay:

41.94 1931

LJ:

7.91 John Brooks 1932

400m:

47.44 Ray Ellinwood 1936 (2nd place is 47.64, run in 1916!)

Interestly, 2nd place in the Decathlon (broken only in 2007) is 6363, set in 1936 by Jay Berwanger, who achieved a much more notable athletic accomplishment the year before.

University of Dubuque

Long Jump - 24-09.75 - Sol Butler - 1919

(Butler was an Olympian in 1920 or 1924; not sure which one)

TFN boards talked about this a while back.

http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=26096

I dug up some very old University of Chicago records, which someone noted above.

800 Meter Run

Osie Champan '31

1:51.74 (1930)

Bates College

University of Richmond

Javelin Throw

Woodrow Clark (1935)

213-08.50 (app. 65.14m)

Different than the comment made about the long jump in an earlier post, this mark was achieved with the old style wooden javelin. This was a bit before they started using the hollow javelin in the 1950s.

Oberlin's mile record doesn't get listed on their website, but it's a 4:15 from 1917 - older than the 200 and 4x4 records they have that date from the 1920's...

For get the rest, take only those that are consistent track powers and Jesse Owens/Ohio State must take the cake. His 200 mark last a long time too, and he probably still has some archaic records (200/220y straight, 200/220y hurdles, 100y?).I suspect that there are some venerable San Jose State records as well from the 1960s Speed City days..

Jossi wrote:

gooeeeeeeee wrote:

Jesse Owens outdoor long jump record for Ohio State is a long standing one.

1936 to current.

Not only that, but check out this stat, courtesy of Kevin Sullivan himself!:

"Just looking over the Big10 meet records and Jesse Owens still owns the Championship record in the long jump at 26'08.25", set in 1935 up in Ann Arbor."

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=858728

I still hold a record ot two back at USC.

26mi235 wrote:

I suspect that there are some venerable San Jose State records as well from the 1960s Speed City days..

Undoubtedly they are, since San Jose State dropped track some time ago.

DePauw University

Long Jump Paul Jones 24-6.75 1924

400 meters Bob Fribley 48.52 1935

And 10th on the all-time 1500 list

4:01.14 Ivan "Ikey" Myers 1915

26mi235 wrote:

For get the rest, take only those that are consistent track powers and Jesse Owens/Ohio State must take the cake. His 200 mark last a long time too, and he probably still has some archaic records (200/220y straight, 200/220y hurdles, 100y?).

I suspect that there are some venerable San Jose State records as well from the 1960s Speed City days..

Ohio State a consistent track power? I guess so. SJSU no longer has a men's program, so I'm not sure we should even bring them into the discussion.

OSU lists their school record for the 100m as 10.20 by Owens at the '36 NCAA meet, which is bull. It was a 10.2 hand-time and shouldn't be compared with auto-times like Todd Dutch's 10.30 in 2005. Owen's 220y straight PR was 20.3, inferior to OSU's current 200m record around a turn.

His LJ record is pretty meaningful, though, due to the fact that neither Paul Warfield, Joe Greene nor Chris Sanders could touch it. If Gary can get an athlete to break that record, then he should get full credit for reviving a program that hasn't been highly competitive since the days of Larry Snyder. Owen's record would have won three of the last five NCAA championships!

There's a high school around here whose PV record dates to 1929. The LJ hasn't changed all that much over the years, but when your PV record was set with a wooden pole you've got to know your program sucks.

Penn's outdoor 400m record of 46.28 was set by Bill Carr at the 1932 Olympics. At the time it was the WR and obviously the OR too.

http://www.pennalumnitrack.com/records_out_long.html