I was just wondering, the meds seem to have stuff in them like adrenaline and things that would enhance a runners performance.
I was just wondering, the meds seem to have stuff in them like adrenaline and things that would enhance a runners performance.
Um... I haven't ever come across anything with any sort of stimulant in it.
Most asthma medications are corticosteroids that decrease swelling in lung tissue.
Both advair and albuterol are on the banned substances list
They are banned without a TUE.
But, do they enhance performance? The science says No.
gooooeeeeeeee wrote:
But, do they enhance performance? The science says No.
Albuterol definitely enhances my performance; without using it, I'd probably drop after 2 miles in any race, as a wheezing, coughing half-blue mess.
Phillyrunner wrote:
the meds seem to have stuff in them like adrenaline
Definitely NO adrenaline in asthma medication. Albuterol is a steriod, though all it does is bronchodialates (relaxes the smooth muscle in the lungs). A side effect is increased heart rate. It does nothing in people without asthma since normal people already have relaxed lungs, and all it does in asthmatics is brings them close to (not even up to) the same level as non-asthmatics. It's no more of a performance enhancer as food is a performance enhancer for everyone. We all need energy from food, and we all need oxygen.
asthmatic wrote:
Phillyrunner wrote:the meds seem to have stuff in them like adrenaline
Definitely NO adrenaline in asthma medication. Albuterol is a steriod, though all it does is bronchodialates (relaxes the smooth muscle in the lungs). A side effect is increased heart rate. It does nothing in people without asthma since normal people already have relaxed lungs, and all it does in asthmatics is brings them close to (not even up to) the same level as non-asthmatics. It's no more of a performance enhancer as food is a performance enhancer for everyone. We all need energy from food, and we all need oxygen.
Got it, and don't take this a being argumentative, but why does it seem like a crap load of sprinters have EIA?
asthmatic wrote:
Albuterol is a steriod...
IT IS NOT A STEROID !!!
The prevelance of asthma is high in African Americans.
GaryB wrote:
Got it, and don't take this a being argumentative, but why does it seem like a crap load of sprinters have EIA?
And apparently a bunch of professional cyclists as well. My guess is that the stuff is either used to mask something else, or isn't even used as all, but the scrip exclusion helps cover a potentially positive result for another substance that is enhancing, but can then be explained away as asthma medicine.
But, I'm not cynical or anything...
see this is where the naivety of LR.C folks is so cute.
Cyclists and bodybuilder types use albuterol frequently. Taken orally, not inhaled - it does a number of things and is mildly anabolic - not so much like "real anabolic steroids" - it is far less potent, but athletes get something out of it.
Sometimes they will get a TUE for albuterol taken orally because if it does show up, the druggy can say "oh I have EIA" .
Corticos are used as PEDs in cycling and not just for "saddle sores" - they are used to help boost amongst other things cardiac stroke volume - meaning that the hear essentially contracts harder.
wake up guys - don't buy the smokescreen.
ventolin wrote:
asthmatic wrote:Albuterol is a steriod...
IT IS NOT A STEROID !!!
I apologize. You are right. I was thinking of my advair medication, which has fluticasone propionate in it, and that IS a steroid. Nevertheless, neither advair nor albuterol, nor any other asthma medication, to my knowledge, makes a significant difference in performance.
A quick search shows....
The effect of inhaled salbutamol and salmeterol on lung function and endurance performance in healthy well-trained athletes.
Carlsen KH, Ingjer F, Kirkegaard H, Thyness B.
Norwegian University of Sports and Physical Education, Oslo, Norway.
The present randomized, double-blind placebo-controlled study aimed at investigating the possible improvement in endurance performance caused by inhaled salmeterol (long-acting beta 2-agonist) and salbutamol (short-acting) compared to placebo in 18 healthy well-trained athletes, aged 17-30 years old. Lung function (flow-volume loops) was measured before and after each inhaled study drug and after run to exhaustion. After inhalation of study drug and 10 min warm-up, anaerobic threshold was measured; thereafter maximum oxygen uptake, peak ventilation and running time until exhaustion during a brief graded exercise were measured. No significant differences were found for ventilation, oxygen uptake or heart rate at anaerobic threshold or at maximum performance between placebo and the beta 2-agonists. Lung function increased significantly after exercise, but without differences between the beta 2-agonists and placebo. Running time till exhaustion was significantly reduced after both the long- and the short-acting beta 2-agonist compared to the placebo.
There ya go, short acting and long acting beta 2 agonist DO NOT enhance performance.
Another one, just for fun:
Is salmeterol ergogenic?Morton AR, Joyce K, Papalia SM, Carroll NG, Fitch KD.
Department of Human Movement, University of Western Australia, Nedlands, Australia.
CONCLUSIONS: The preexercise administration of 50 micrograms of inhaled salmeterol has no performance-enhancing effects in nonasthmatic athletes. We believe that athletes with asthma should be permitted to use salmeterol before competition.
PerFenHanceR wrote:
see this is where the naivety of LR.C folks is so cute.
Cyclists and bodybuilder types use albuterol frequently. Taken orally, not inhaled - it does a number of things and is mildly anabolic - not so much like "real anabolic steroids" - it is far less potent, but athletes get something out of it.
Sometimes they will get a TUE for albuterol taken orally because if it does show up, the druggy can say "oh I have EIA" .
Corticos are used as PEDs in cycling and not just for "saddle sores" - they are used to help boost amongst other things cardiac stroke volume - meaning that the hear essentially contracts harder.
wake up guys - don't buy the smokescreen.
YOU CAN'T GET A TUE FOR TAKING ALBUTEROL ORALLY, ONLY BY INHALATION.
I have legetimate excercised induced asthma at times. If i am running easy at 75% max heart rate I'm ok. But if I start doing LT runs and runs on the track or Vo2 max workouts I start wheezing and coughing and it hurts like hail So I got some ephedrine HCL..and took one tab an hour before a hard run. It helped alot but I talked to my doctor about it and he told me he thought i needed an inhaler instead of taking something oral so I tried it and it works good. It isn't any of the substances y'all have mentioned yet but he said it was related to albuterol and I don't feel like going to my car and getting it now.
Is Ephedrine HCL a banned substance? Of course this is one of the substances that people who make meth amphetamine want.
In response to gooooeeeeeee:
Thank you for finding that! You should obtain the entire study and send it to Wejo to post it on the front page where everyone can look at it!!
PerFenHanceR wrote:
Corticos are used as PEDs in cycling and not just for "saddle sores" - they are used to help boost amongst other things cardiac stroke volume - meaning that the hear essentially contracts harder
???
studies please
Hi. Im a competitive female bodybuilder and find that volmax is an excellent drug to open the airways and has slightly anabolics effects, as it holds the glycogen on the muscle and will pulls on the fat as energy. Like salbutamol - http://medsreviews.com/ingredients/salbutamol/albuterol or clenbuterol. its now become unavailable here so thats a bummer. Ive also had increased strength and a definite oomph before workouts.
Salbutamol, which is the active ingredient in Ventolin is actually similar to adrenalin. Unlike adrenalin, salbutamol is a compound that specificially binds to a subtype of the adrenergic receptors. called the beta adrenergic receptors, which are present in smooth muscle tissue in the lungs (but also in other places like the heart).
When ventolin as an inhaler, the effects of this beta receptor agonism binds to the receptors in the airway, which causes the airway to open up beyond what would be possible without the medication. This dilation of the airway will counter act any swelling caused by asthma, which is why ventolin is used prior to excercise.
If an individual does not has asthma then yes, that person will have an advantage over others as it technically can increase the amount of oxygen you can bring in to your lungs. If not, then the advantage ventolin can give you becomes questionable, but then again no one really knows how much diltaion ventolin can give you relative to the amount of airway volume loss you get with asthma!
Along similar lines of reasoning,
Caffeine intake (in moderate amounts), also has an effect on breathing. Caffeine doesn't work like being given straight adrenalin, however it works by prolonging the effect of endogenous adrenalin (Also known as noradrenaline). I guess you could reason that caffeine could help when you need to have the benefits of adrenalin over a longer period of time while running. So maybe benefits of caffeine would increase for longer distance races.
Also, Caffeine (under a certain dose) is legal without Rx, and isn't a banned substance.
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