Great American results are in

Congratulations to Baylor and their 7th place finish. I am positive that they would have beat The Woodlands today.

And they had no problem whatsoever with Gardner-Webb.

The winner of the girls middle school 5k would have been a top 20 finisher in the womens college invite.

I don't understand why ACC schools put out such mediocre cross country teams (mens - NC State as the exception). I know they are still better than a lot of programs, but with all the money from football and basketball, you would think they could hire some quality coaches who could recruit and develop these athletes.

For example, UNC. Chapel Hill is a great town, UNC is a highly reputable educational institution, they've been successful with the women. So, why is the men's team placing 18th at Great American? Same goes for Georgia Tech, Florida State, Virginia, etc. All good schools in areas with a high population of good high school runners. Why arent' they producing better results?

I might be acting unfairly, and please don't perceive my questions as sarcastic or degrading. I would just expect those schools to be able to recruit better athletes and produce better teams. If we are going to continue to rely on the NCAA system to porduce our future Olympians, we need to ask why aren't these schools (and many, many others) with all their resources, not doing a better job.

Again, this is not slanderous towards any one coach or team. As a fan and former participant in this sport, I'm merely making some observations based on the GA results. I believe there are enough intellectuals on this board to have a decent dialogue about the lack of development or quality coaching in the collegiate system. For those of you tired of this topic, my apologies.

Middle school girl would have won the College B/Open and 2nd in the College A/Open, and like other guy said top 20 in the University Race.

Alan

When I pullup the page it tells me results are not yet in. What am I doing wrong?

Great American Cross Country Festival - 9/27/2002 to 9/28/2002

Ballantyne Resort, Charlotte, NC

Women 5k Run CC Open/College

1, Janet Kogo, Harding, 19:17.8. 2, Jennifer Ford, North Florida, 19:42.6. 3,

Hanna Ritakallio, Harding, 19:54.8. 4, Sarah Primeau, Appalachian State,

20:00.5. 5, Laila Laursen, North Florida, 20:07.6. 6, Romy Krueger, North

Florida, 20:14.0. 7, Theresa Dennis, Bucknell, 20:20.5. 8, Alicia Valtin,

Campbell, 20:21.3. 9, Laura Syracuse, Charlotte, 20:22.1. 10, Cassie Ficken,

Charlotte, 20:25.8. 11, Katie Sujkowski, Appalachian State, 20:26.4. 12, Julia

Downes, North Florida, 20:35.7. 13, Erin Connelly, Mary Washington, 20:39.9.

14, Michelle Brewer, Samford, 20:42.7. 15, Allison Cole, Bucknell, 20:43.1.

16, Allie Martin, Davidson College, 20:47.1. 17, Nicole Posey, North Florida,

20:49.0. 18, Sally Stanhope, Davidson College, 20:53.9. 19, Jamie Gow,

Bucknell, 20:55.1. 20, Jennifer Kelley, Appalachian State, 20:56.4. 21, Jen

Taylor, Charlotte, 20:56.7. 22, Helen Singoei, Harding, 20:56.8. 23, Heidi

Sloop, Unc-Greensboro, 20:58.3. 24, Micki Logue, Unc-Asheville, 21:00.8. 25,

Missy Dock, Appalachian State, 21:03.8. 26, Erin Irvin, App State B, 21:04.8.

27, Laura Puckett, Davidson College, 21:06.1. 28, Sarah Reardon, Harding,

21:09.9. 29, Megan Fairclough, Alabama-Huntsville, 21:10.8. 30, Deanna Kulesz,

Western Carolina, 21:13.6. 31, Rebecca Elen Rodriguez, Unattached, 21:16.8.

32, Casey Phillips, Clemson, 21:18.0. 33, Laura Ann Rukat, Clemson, 21:21.7.

34, Emily Thompson, Vcu, 21:25.1. 35, Julie Jackaboski, Bucknell, 21:25.7. 36,

Melissa Caudill, High Point, 21:25.8. 37, Chelsea Jacobs, Appalachian State,

21:26.3. 38, Tiffany Carberry, Unc-Asheville, 21:26.6. 39, Macy Little,

Unc-Asheville, 21:28.2. 40, Sara Kofoed, North Florida, 21:30.5. 41, Rachel

Haley, Mary Washington, 21:33.0. 42, Rachel Tutmaher, Bucknell, 21:33.8. 43,

Whitney Gray, Mary Washington, 21:35.9. 44, Jerrine Peeler, Western Carolina,

21:36.0. 45, Devon Nemire-Pepe, Unc-Asheville, 21:36.2. 46, Loring Watkins,

Unc-Asheville, 21:36.3. 47, Amy Phillips, Alabama-Huntsville, 21:36.4. 48,

Sarah Baxter, Davidson College, 21:36.5. 49, Molly Gufrovich, Millersville,

21:37.1. 50, Emily Einstein, Davidson College, 21:37.2. 51, Pricilla Wallace,

Vcu, 21:37.4. 52, Krystle Short, Unc-Asheville, 21:39.7. 53, Hilary Leister,

Davidson College, 21:40.7. 54, Jennie Sucher, Unc-Chapel Hill, 21:46.4. 55,

Crystal Rayle, Unc-Greensboro, 21:46.8. 56, Lauren Kinsey, Bucknell, 21:48.2.

57, Alisha Little, Appalachian State, 21:49.1. 58, Jessica Brewer, Samford,

21:52.0. 59, Erin Giesa, Samford, 21:52.5. 60, Jessica Jansen, Samford,

21:55.1. 61, Catherine Lewis, High Point, 21:55.6. 62, Erin Kelly, High Point,

22:00.9. 63, Suzanne Walker, Samford, 22:02.3. 64, Katie Pfeifer, Bucknell,

22:03.3. 65, Connie Heiskell, Samford, 22:04.5. 66, Natalie Creech, Wingate,

22:09.3. 67, Dalia Clarke, Florida International, 22:12.2. 68, Kristin Irwin,

Unc-Greensboro, 22:12.5. 69, Molly Drake, Washington & Lee, 22:14.5. 70,

Theresa Mazurek, Millersville, 22:14.6. 71, Jenny Sniffen, Charlotte, 22:15.1.

72, Mary Nero, Unc-Greensboro, 22:15.7. 73, Tonya Edmonds, Western Carolina,

22:16.2. 74, Rachel Ungerer, Mary Washington, 22:16.2. 75, Macy Zwanzig, Mary

Washington, 22:17.4. 76, Jessica Cornett, Harding, 22:20.9. 77, Natalie Fahey,

Alabama-Huntsville, 22:24.4. 78, Liz Gross, Davidson College, 22:24.8. 79,

Hallie Rogers, Millersville, 22:25.2. 80, Jamilah Vargas, Florida

International, 22:26.1. 81, Burke Duncan, Washington & Lee, 22:27.0. 82,

Lesley Davis, Alabama-Huntsville, 22:28.2. 83, Rachel Taft, Vcu, 22:30.1. 84,

Megan Kellogg, Western Carolina, 22:31.2. 85, Marenika Wisdom, Charlotte,

22:38.3. 86, Brooke McDaniel, Alabama-Huntsville, 22:38.7. 87, Courtney Hurst,

Alabama-Huntsville, 22:39.5. 88, Whitney Woods, Western Carolina, 22:40.6. 89,

Alissa Short, Western Carolina, 22:41.0. 90, Jamie Vetten, High Point,

22:41.0. 91, Abby Rodenbeck, Harding, 22:48.7. 92, Amy Koetteritz,

Millersville, 22:49.6. 93, Andria Craig, Charlotte, 22:51.7. 94, Jenny Barton,

Clemson, 22:52.3. 95, Marivi Mercado, Appalachian State, 22:53.9. 96, Emily

Smothers, Wofford, 22:54.9. 97, Shannah Troncone, Millersville, 22:55.3. 98,

Terri Harding, Harding, 22:59.6. 99, Tracy Warring, High Point, 23:01.8. 100,

Betsy Frayer, Washington & Lee, 23:02.2. 101, Stephanie Churchill, Mary

Washington, 23:03.0. 102, Courtney Amersbach, Millersville, 23:09.7. 103,

Elizabeth Crawford, Washington & Lee, 23:18.7. 104, Sarah Carter, Charlotte,

23:28.8. 105, Misty Tilson, Unc-Greensboro, 23:32.8. 106, Celeste Thompson,

Vcu, 23:38.3. 107, Miranda Thomas, Campbell, 23:40.0. 108, Tif Gregg,

Millersville, 23:49.3. 109, Corey Wilson, Wofford, 23:50.6. 110, Laura

Marafino, Mary Washington, 23:56.3. 111, Lindsay Zerance, High Point, 24:01.3.

112, Meg Garner, Washington & Lee, 24:07.0. 113, Jessica Walters,

Alabama-Huntsville, 24:14.5. 114, Stacy Cuffe, Wingate, 24:16.5. 115, Mary Ann

Formosa, Florida International, 24:17.9. 116, Jennifer Hooten, Clemson,

24:20.3. 117, Sarah Williamson, Washington & Lee, 24:28.4. 118, Crystal Moore,

Wingate, 24:30.0. 119, jaya Abraham, Wofford, 24:34.0. 120, Becky Signoretti,

Western Carolina, 24:36.8. 121, Michelle Kidd, Vcu, 24:37.1. 122, Emily Smith,

Wofford, 24:38.3. 123, Faiza Boujaafar, Usc-Spartanburg, 24:43.4. 124, Rachel

Smithson, Wofford, 24:45.7. 125, Kristi Posey, Wingate, 24:56.7. 126, Janie

Slaydon, Concord College, 24:57.8. 127, Evan Ross, Clemson, 25:05.2. 128,

Jessica Traywick, Usc-Spartanburg, 25:14.8. 129, Ellen Wagner, Concord

College, 25:24.3. 130, ??? Unknown, Unattached, 25:32.6. 131, Megan Ward,

Washington & Lee, 25:53.6. 132, Edda Santiago, Florida International, 26:06.1.

133, Tonya Henderson, Usc-Spartanburg, 26:08.6. 134, Katherine Lambert,

Wingate, 26:10.5. 135, Stacey Horton, Wofford, 26:17.5. 136, Seldridge Dawn,

Florida International, 26:26.6. 137, Ashley Green, Concord College, 26:38.5.

138, Jamela Malik, Florida International, 27:04.2. 139, Tiffany Charles,

Clemson, 27:06.6. 140, Brooke Butler, Wingate, 27:20.9. 141, April Roberts,

Usc-Spartanburg, 27:58.1. 142, Crystal Caudill, Usc-Spartanburg, 28:06.5. 143,

Erikca Farmer, Concord College, 28:44.2. 144, Andrea Marino, Concord College,

31:13.0. 145, Lee Reeves, Newberry, 34:04.4.

Women 5k Run CC University Champ

1, Shalane Flanagan, Unc-Chapel Hill, 17:48.1. 2, Kassi Anderson, Brigham

Young, 17:57.1. 3, Michaela Manova, Brigham Young, 18:07.9. 4, Caroline

Bierbaum, Duke, 18:11.9. 5, Vicky Gill, Florida State, 18:17.0. 6, Breanne

Sandberg, Brigham Young, 18:27.8. 7, Nan Kennard, Brigham Young, 18:40.8. 8,

Julia Lucas, NC State, 18:42.6. 9, Ida Nilsson, Northern Arizona, 18:44.1. 10,

Trish Nolan, Columbia, 18:45.6. 11, Andreina Byrd, Arkansas, 18:47.8. 12,

Christin Wurth, Arkansas, 18:50.1. 13, Londa Bevins, Arkansas, 18:52.2. 14,

Christa Benton, South Florida, 18:54.5. 15, Nicole Lee, Georgetown, 18:55.4.

16, Ali Henderson, William & Mary, 18:58.9. 17, Debbie Thornhill, Baylor,

19:00.3. 18, Jodee Adams-Moore, Georgetown, 19:05.5. 19, Erin Donohue,

Unc-Chapel Hill, 19:06.4. 20, Loretta Kilmer, Columbia, 19:06.7. 21, Anne

Marie Moutsinga, Coastal Carolina, 19:06.9. 22, Jane Maxwell, Virginia,

19:08.0. 23, Jennifer Kintzley, Colorado State, 19:09.5. 24, Sarah Scholl,

Georgetown, 19:10.4. 25, Katie Griffin, Georgia Tech, 19:11.5. 26, Ashley

Seaton, Virginia, 19:12.0. 27, Kara Scanlin, Virginia, 19:13.8. 28, Caitlin

Hickin, Columbia, 19:16.3. 29, Renee Gunning, NC State, 19:16.8. 30, Mollie

Defrancesco, James Madison, 19:17.9. 31, Josi Lauber, NC State, 19:19.0. 32,

Angela Bennson, Brigham Young, 19:19.6. 33, Meggan Hodge, Mississippi State,

19:20.4. 34, Maura McMahon, William & Mary, 19:21.3. 35, Johanna Nilsson,

Northern Arizona, 19:22.3. 36, Megan Coombs, NC State, 19:23.7. 37, Kara

Koppel, Coastal Carolina, 19:25.6. 38, Kim Watson, Colorado State, 19:26.4.

39, Erika Edwards, Northern Arizona, 19:27.3. 40, Amber Gascoigne, Butler,

19:28.1. 41, Cindy Dunham, James Madison, 19:28.7. 42, Amy Bair, Brigham

Young, 19:31.1. 43, Liz Awtrey, Unc-Chapel Hill, 19:32.6. 44, Lisa Antonelli,

Brigham Young, 19:33.9. 45, Meredith Crocker, Brown, 19:34.8. 46, Alice

Schmidt, Unc-Chapel Hill, 19:36.3. 47, Jessica Hellender, South Florida,

19:36.4. 48, Tenke Zoltani, Columbia, 19:36.5. 49, Melissa Stellato, Columbia,

19:38.2. 50, Erin Sicher, Georgetown, 19:39.0. 51, Lisa Stublic, Columbia,

19:40.7. 52, Meghan McGarvey, Virginia, 19:41.8. 53, Diana Henderson, NC

State, 19:42.1. 54, Erin Swain, NC State, 19:42.1. 55, Jennie Sucher,

Unc-Chapel Hill, 19:42.6. 56, Cassie King, Unc-Chapel Hill, 19:43.1. 57, Paige

Miller, Duke, 19:43.8. 58, Jennifer Lapetoda, James Madison, 19:43.9. 59,

Kristy Fuller, South Florida, 19:44.2. 60, Ruth Chege, Richmond, 19:45.1. 61,

Jin Hanifan, Northern Arizona, 19:45.5. 62, Shelia Klick, La Salle, 19:45.9.

63, Jessica Perry, Unc-Chapel Hill, 19:46.9. 64, Dawn Cleary, Virginia,

19:47.8. 65, Maureen Scott, Arkansas, 19:48.6. 66, Shiloh Whiting, Arkansas,

19:49.0. 67, Anne Clinton, Florida State, 19:49.9. 68, Jessie Gordon,

Arkansas, 19:52.2. 69, Tiffany McWilliams, Mississippi State, 19:52.5. 70, Liz

Burke, Columbia, 19:53.8. 71, Natalie Hughes, Florida State, 19:54.0. 72,

Marget Larson, Colorado State, 19:54.7. 73, Leah Marbach, Baylor, 19:55.2. 74,

Treneire Clement, Georgetown, 19:55.3. 75, Natalie Rogers, Northern Arizona,

19:55.9. 76, Angela Marvin, Baylor, 19:56.8. 77, Jackie Kosakowski, William &

Mary, 19:57.9. 78, Tara Guelig, William & Mary, 19:58.5. 79, Rebecca Lyne,

Butler, 19:58.8. 80, Katie Yemm, Colorado State, 19:59.7. 81, Laura Stanley,

Duke, 20:00.1. 82, Cheryl Bauer, William & Mary, 20:01.1. 83, Misty Harper,

Florida State, 20:01.7. 84, Cori Kill, South Florida, 20:02.2. 85, Kim Leal,

Colorado State, 20:02.4. 86, Melanie Matthews, Virginia, 20:02.6. 87, Janelle

Vadnais, NC State, 20:03.4. 88, Lindsey Kozlowski, Coastal Carolina, 20:03.5.

89, Kristyn Shiring, William & Mary, 20:04.1. 90, Estelle Brose, Northern

Arizona, 20:05.4. 91, Mary Ridder, Colorado State, 20:08.0. 92, Emilie

Geneste, Northern Arizona, 20:08.3. 93, Megan McCoin, Baylor, 20:08.6. 94,

Colleen Blair, Colorado State, 20:10.2. 95, Lyndsey Webber, Richmond, 20:10.8.

96, Solomiya Login, La Salle, 20:12.3. 97, ? #5001, Virginia, 20:13.7. 98,

Heidi Hullinger, Duke, 20:16.5. 99, Liz Wort, Duke, 20:19.5. 100, Nelly

Anderson, James Madison, 20:20.0. 101, Carling Cookerly, Florida, 20:21.8.

102, Kelly Baker, James Madison, 20:23.5. 103, Kristyne McGuinn,

Loyola-Chicago, 20:24.4. 104, Lauren Matic, Duke, 20:26.9. 105, Jessa Vacek,

Baylor, 20:29.5. 106, Colleen Kelly, Georgetown, 20:30.1. 107, Rosie Woodford,

Brown, 20:30.5. 108, Sarah Arens, Iowa, 20:32.6. 109, Shannon Saunders, James

Madison, 20:33.7. 110, Carly Matthews, Georgia Tech, 20:37.4. 111, Mallory

Dunn, Florida, 20:38.1. 112, Julie Komosinski, Brown, 20:38.5. 113, Lisa

Cornelius, Baylor, 20:38.9. 114, Kim Nemergut, Coastal Carolina, 20:39.2. 115,

Alison Belicose, Richmond, 20:40.2. 116, Jenny Gomez, Florida State, 20:40.5.

117, Nicole Kurtain, Richmond, 20:41.0. 118, Anna Willard, Brown, 20:41.6.

119, Robyn Ritter, Coastal Carolina, 20:43.2. 120, Sherry Sikora, Richmond,

20:43.5. 121, Louise Moerch, Florida, 20:44.0. 122, Nora Sullivan, Brown,

20:45.8. 123, Leyna Williams, La Salle, 20:47.1. 124, Ronni Rudolphi,

Mississippi State, 20:48.2. 125, Trina Hobyan, Mississippi State, 20:49.4.

126, Anne Rettig, Richmond, 20:50.4. 127, Kristin Saunders, James Madison,

20:51.0. 128, Sarah Taylor, Richmond, 20:53.6. 129, Sylvia Chelimo,

Gardner-Webb, 20:54.8. 130, Lauren Heron, William & Mary, 20:55.5. 131, Kelly

Moring, Butler, 20:57.0. 132, Neta Ezer, Georgia Tech, 20:57.6. 133, Norma

Vega, Florida, 21:00.0. 134, Ndidi Obichere, La Salle, 21:00.4. 135, Michelle

Sokol, Iowa, 21:02.3. 136, Kim Wiedman, Loyola-Chicago, 21:02.4. 137, Maria

Beitel, Butler, 21:03.6. 138, Kristin Ware, Brown, 21:06.6. 139, Ashely

McComas, South Florida, 21:07.1. 140, Jessica Goeden, Coastal Carolina,

21:07.3. 141, Mason Cathey, Florida, 21:07.9. 142, Katie Stuckey, Butler,

21:08.6. 143, Kristin Jenco, La Salle, 21:11.8. 144, Monica Schneider, Butler,

21:12.8. 145, Atalie Barber, Iowa, 21:15.0. 146, Jessica Newton, Florida,

21:16.7. 147, Emilly Bonnilla, Baylor, 21:18.5. 148, Georgia Millward, Iowa,

21:20.8. 149, Amanda Gilley, Georgia Tech, 21:25.8. 150, Colleen Newhart,

Loyola-Chicago, 21:27.5. 151, Irene Chemayak, Gardner-Webb, 21:29.0. 152, Mina

Thornstenson, Mississippi State, 21:30.0. 153, Elizabeth Geiger, La Salle,

21:36.0. 154, Carrie DePiazza, Loyola-Chicago, 21:36.6. 155, Katie Donlon,

Iowa, 21:42.9. 156, Nikole Hoster, Loyola-Chicago, 21:45.4. 157, Erika

Roberts, Iowa, 21:46.3. 158, Allison Hofmann, Duke, 21:48.8. 159, Kay Lennon,

Florida, 21:52.0. 160, Michelle Lahann, Iowa, 21:52.6. 161, Carla Uribe,

Georgia Tech, 21:53.9. 162, Jenny Lentz, Georgia Tech, 21:54.3. 163, Lissa

Vogley, Butler, 21:55.7. 164, Michelle Kinney, Mississippi State, 21:57.2.

165, Annie Corken, Loyola-Chicago, 22:05.2. 166, Erin Geiger, La Salle,

22:08.2. 167, Petrona McClymont, Gardner-Webb, 22:25.7. 168, Suzanne Shepherd,

Florida State, 22:33.4. 169, Jessica Ballance, Coastal Carolina, 23:02.7. 170,

Cathleen Willy, Florida State, 23:14.5. 171, Amanda Hofacker, Gardner-Webb,

23:38.4. 172, Abbie Crago, Gardner-Webb, 24:20.7. 173, Kathryn Phillips,

Gardner-Webb, 24:29.6. 174, Andrea Springer, Gardner-Webb, 27:32.1.

Women 5k Run CC College "B"

1, Katie Martin, Byu "b", 18:41.5. 2, Kris Roth, Wolfpack-UNA, 19:18.9. 3,

Kristen Ogden, Byu "b", 19:24.2. 4, Abigail Nelkie, NC State B, 19:30.0. 5,

Tiffany Rust, Byu "b", 19:35.5. 6, Emily Mars, Byu "b", 19:41.7. 7, Jaime

Cottle, Byu "b", 19:45.7. 8, Katie Moon, Byu "b", 19:57.6. 9, Brittanie

Saunders, Colorado State, 20:06.7. 10, Crystal Clark, Colorado State, 20:07.8.

11, Lucinda Hull, Wolfpack-UNA, 20:07.9. 12, Leslie Jimison, NC State B,

20:14.3. 13, Bria Wetsch, Unattached, 20:18.9. 14, Erica Sigmont, Arkansas B,

20:20.7. 15, Karen Pulliam, William & Mary B, 20:21.3. 16, Sharon O'Connor,

Virginia B, 20:23.8. 17, Meadow Tarvis, Unattached, 20:26.6. 18, Suzanna

Larsen, Byu "b", 20:33.3. 19, Nicole Boykin, Unc-Chapel Hill B, 20:33.6. 20,

Michelle Popple, NC State B, 20:34.8. 21, Emily Hampson, Virginia B, 20:35.9.

22, Amy Arnold, Wolfpack-UNA, 20:38.5. 23, Jennifer Riley, Florida B, 20:39.2.

24, Annie Hatch, Brown B, 20:44.7. 25, Bridget Keenan, Richmond B, 20:45.3.

26, Caci Cambruzzi, Brown B, 20:48.3. 27, Emma Sarro, Brown B, 20:48.5. 28,

Becky Hoover, NC State B, 20:53.2. 29, Anna Kaczmarek, Baylor B, 20:54.2. 30,

Bobbie Munson, Unc-Chapel Hill B, 20:55.7. 31, Erin Macbeth, Unc-Chapel Hill

B, 20:57.1. 32, Claudine Hull, Wolfpack-UNA, 21:01.2. 33, Ginger Wheeler, NC

State B, 21:02.2. 34, Rachel Kitson, Brown B, 21:02.6. 35, Maddie Schuler,

Unattached, 21:04.1. 36, Shannon Hawrylo, Virginia B, 21:05.0. 37, Anya

Davidson, Brown B, 21:05.8. 38, Stephanie Bennett, Baylor B, 21:12.0. 39,

Jessica Durrant, Wolfpack-UNA, 21:17.1. 40, Katie Sloan, Richmond B, 21:22.3.

41, Catalina Palfreman, Unc-Chapel Hill B, 21:23.9. 42, Danielle Korb,

Colorado State, 21:25.3. 43, Zita Magloire, Mississippi State B, 21:33.7. 44,

Diane Avigne, Florida B, 21:35.1. 45, Lauren Manero, Richmond B, 21:36.8. 46,

Amy O'Donnell, Unattached, 21:39.9. 47, Lauren Floyd, Unattached, 21:40.3. 48,

Monica Behney, Butler, 21:41.7. 49, Kelly Raffety, Bucknell, 21:44.5. 50,

Kristen Hietzreiter, Duke B, 21:45.5. 51, Jean Coleman, Brown B, 21:49.2. 52,

Kelly Price, North Florida B, 21:50.4. 53, Becky White, Richmond B, 21:53.6.

54, Elizabeth Leigh, North Florida B, 21:56.5. 55, Kristen Trexler, App State

B, 21:58.3. 56, Marie Knight, Unattached, 22:01.8. 57, Catherine Spoth,

Georgia Tech, 22:02.6. 58, Cassie Hanan, Mississippi State B, 22:06.8. 59,

Carolyn Mateskon, Bucknell, 22:08.4. 60, Vanessa Menz, Iowa, 22:09.8. 61,

Sarah Butler, Richmond B, 22:12.6. 62, Joey Hansen, Mississippi State B,

22:15.6. 63, Kelly Brown, Wolfpack-UNA, 22:18.0. 64, Erin Irvin, App State B,

22:19.7. 65, Amber Littleton, North Florida B, 22:20.8. 66, Mary Reeves,

Butler, 22:29.6. 67, Nicole Lynn, Bucknell, 22:32.4. 68, Courtney Zola, App

State B, 22:37.6. 69, Erin Kubarewicz, Richmond B, 22:41.7. 70, Lindsey Price,

Baylor B, 22:42.2. 71, Jacqueline Mariani, Florida B, 22:42.9. 72, Jannelle

Silverman, App State B, 22:46.6. 73, Kelly Hunter, North Florida B, 22:53.1.

74, Kelly Roshorough, App State B, 23:05.7. 75, Andi Cassatt, Mary Washington

B, 23:07.5. 76, Brooke Kittinger, Davidson B, 23:15.1. 77, Stephanie Keller,

Bucknell, 23:22.2. 78, Hope Concannon, Unattached, 23:24.1. 79, Christy Groff,

Millersville B, 23:24.2. 80, Hillary Goode, App State C, 23:25.8. 81, Rebecca

Griffith, Mary Washington B, 23:39.2. 82, Randi Miles, W. Carolina B, 23:43.0.

83, Carissa Skrivanek, Davidson B, 23:46.2. 84, Melinda Phillips,

Alabama-Huntsville B, 23:56.6. 85, Tara Kilousky, Millersville B, 23:56.7. 86,

Kathleen Toone, Mary Washington B, 23:59.8. 87, ?? Unknown, Unattached,

24:06.5. 88, Sara Boseman, Peace College, 24:12.8. 89, Nikki Bradham,

Millersville B, 24:15.8. 90, Tammy Ulander, W. Carolina B, 24:19.2. 91, Amanda

Corman, App State C, 24:34.9. 92, Julia Mitchell, App State C, 24:43.0. 93,

Tracy Floyd, North Florida B, 24:57.5. 94, Elizabeth Edel, App State C,

25:08.7. 95, Mallary Tarr, Peace College, 26:21.7. 96, Dana Snapp, North

Florida B, 26:29.5. 97, Stephanie Atkins, App State C, 27:17.7. 98, Jacque

Leduc, Peace College, 28:21.1. 99, Sarah Primeau, Appalachian State, 28:21.1.

100, Gelnda Calabro, Unattached, 28:35.7. 101, Asia Wilson, Peace College,

32:59.7. 102, Maggie Yewens, Peace College, 37:44.3.

Men 8k Run CC Open/College

1, Jacob Rotich, Harding, 26:50.6. 2, Mark Stallings, Millersville, 27:31.1.

3, Reed Fisher, Harding, 27:50.3. 4, Scott Wietecha, Harding, 28:08.8. 5,

Maciek Miereczko, Harding, 28:12.2. 6, Brett Baddorf, Samford, 28:24.1. 7,

Andrew Middleton, Samford, 28:35.8. 8, Chad Johnson, Samford, 28:36.8. 9, Phil

Latter, Unc-Asheville, 28:40.6. 10, Ken DiMarzio, Millersville, 28:43.0. 11,

Carmin Mazzota, Unc-Asheville, 28:44.6. 12, Steve Pizzulli, Millersville,

28:55.6. 13, Joel Collier, Unc-Asheville, 29:03.2. 14, Takuya Abe, Concord

College, 29:05.7. 15, Scott Maurer, Samford, 29:08.9. 16, Ezekial Koech,

Harding, 29:11.4. 17, Mark Rowe, Samford, 29:11.8. 18, Ronnie LaGuerre, North

Florida, 29:17.1. 19, Jeff Rood, Millersville, 29:21.1. 20, Seann Mulcahy,

Richmond, 29:21.5. 21, Matt Houseman, Millersville, 29:22.6. 22, Bryan

Baddorf, Samford, 29:23.3. 23, Tim Caramore, Richmond, 29:25.5. 24, Brad

Becken, Davidson College, 29:31.0. 25, Andrew Hodges, Alabama-Huntsville,

29:31.3. 26, Jason Powers, North Florida, 29:40.1. 27, Chris Schmader,

Davidson College, 29:40.4. 28, Matt Hannay, Richmond, 29:41.7. 29, Brad

Polley, Samford, 29:42.9. 30, Shawn Williams, North Florida, 29:43.6. 31,

Jonathan Baker, Davidson College, 29:49.3. 32, Clark Davis, Usc-Spartaburg,

29:51.9. 33, Mike Earle, Campbell, 29:57.0. 34, Justin Schafer, Greensboro,

30:02.3. 35, Andy Schorr, Washington & Lee, 30:04.2. 36, Root Kirbach,

Unc-Asheville, 30:05.0. 37, Patrick Barkhuff, Richmond, 30:05.8. 38, Nate

Brooks, Mary Washington, 30:07.3. 39, Dustin Yudowitch, Mary Washington,

30:11.4. 40, Jon Lauder, Richmond, 30:12.9. 41, Matt Wilson,

Alabama-Huntsville, 30:20.4. 42, Russ Stellmach, Millersville, 30:22.4. 43,

Wayne Nassis, North Florida, 30:29.0. 44, Jim Benchich, Millersville, 30:30.6.

45, Travis Smith, Usc-Spartaburg, 30:30.7. 46, Colby Broadwater, Davidson

College, 30:31.9. 47, Jason Call, Mary Washington, 30:34.9. 48, Todd

Kronenberg, Mary Washington, 30:35.8. 49, Pete Jennings, Richmond, 30:39.6.

50, Greg Scott, Davidson College, 30:48.0. 51, Justin Pruitt,

Alabama-Huntsville, 30:51.4. 52, Ben Collins, Harding, 30:55.0. 53, Jimmy

Swansbrough, Davidson College, 30:59.7. 54, Steve Chambers, Washington & Lee,

31:03.3. 55, David Bell, Unc-Asheville, 31:07.7. 56, Jeff Watson, Richmond,

31:14.8. 57, Andrew Johnson, Washington & Lee, 31:17.8. 58, Graeme Joeck, Mary

Washington, 31:19.7. 59, Chris Herron, Concord College, 31:29.0. 60, Tyler

Olcott, North Florida, 31:29.9. 61, Charlie Hunt, Alabama-Huntsville, 31:29.9.

62, Mark Ullom, Alabama-Huntsville, 31:30.5. 63, Peter Underwood, Concord

College, 31:46.0. 64, Brian Valentini, Wingate, 31:46.9. 65, Travis Vaughn,

Usc-Spartaburg, 31:49.4. 66, Jason Hough, Mary Washington, 31:52.1. 67, Zach

Starr, North Florida, 32:04.4. 68, Nate Ripperton, Unc-Asheville, 32:22.1. 69,

Matthew Quirk, Unc-Asheville, 32:30.0. 70, Erik Aldridge, Alabama-Huntsville,

32:34.8. 71, James Bussell, Greensboro, 32:36.8. 72, Andrew Fotinos,

Washington & Lee, 32:43.7. 73, Will Teichman, Washington & Lee, 32:55.9. 74,

David Hicks, Washington & Lee, 33:02.4. 75, Eric Cannon, Newberry, 33:06.6.

76, Nhan Nguyen, Usc-Spartaburg, 33:07.7. 77, Patrick Parsons, Campbell,

33:16.5. 78, Chris Adams, Greensboro, 33:17.7. 79, Heath Miller,

Usc-Spartaburg, 33:20.7. 80, Forrest Boggess, Concord College, 33:23.3. 81,

Ryan Jones, Wingate, 33:28.9. 82, Brian Zickefoose, Concord College, 33:30.4.

83, Chris Cousins, Greensboro, 33:48.1. 84, Jeremy Gladwell, Concord College,

33:59.6. 85, Ryan Gero, Concord College, 33:59.9. 86, Jacob Landon,

Usc-Spartaburg, 34:11.3. 87, Marty LaFlamme, Washington & Lee, 34:15.2. 88,

Andre Caldwell, Wofford, 34:18.7. 89, Brandon Eubanks, Alabama-Huntsville,

34:21.5. 90, Rob Dietz, Wingate, 34:40.1. 91, Mike Carr, Wingate, 35:14.9. 92,

Matt Titus, Newberry, 36:10.5. 93, Josh Skinner, Wofford, 36:20.6. 94, Brian

Watson, Wingate, 36:25.4. 95, Chris Shugart, Wofford, 37:05.7. 96, John

Cheeks, Wofford, 37:50.4. 97, Ben Lovelace, Wingate, 38:00.0. 98, Josh

Sanders, Newberry, 39:04.2. 99, Evans McTeer, Newberry, 40:29.8. 100, Bates

Rambow, Wofford, 40:35.7.

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Men 8k Run CC University Champ

1, Henrik Ahnstrom, Northern Arizona, 26:23.1. 2, Nurani Sheihk, Northern

Arizona, 26:27.6. 3, Mike Smith, Georgetown, 26:28.0. 4, Seth Watkins,

Northern Arizona, 26:33.3. 5, Martin Fedmowski, Butler, 26:35.4. 6, Rod

Koborsi, Georgetown, 26:37.0. 7, David Patterson, NC State, 26:40.7. 8, Travis

Laird, Northern Arizona, 26:48.9. 9, Steve Vernon, Butler, 26:49.6. 10, Javon

Broderick, Georgetown, 26:52.2. 11, Tyler Williams, Northern Arizona, 26:54.4.

12, David Christian, NC State, 26:54.8. 13, Michael Hatch, Duke, 26:56.2. 14,

Austin Vigil, Colorado State, 26:58.1. 15, Mark Tucker, Butler, 26:59.6. 16,

Greg Costello, Bucknell, 27:01.0. 17, Kyle King, Baylor, 27:05.8. 18, Dylan

Olchin, Colorado State, 27:07.1. 19, Ammon Larson, Colorado State, 27:07.5.

20, Jason Meany, Clemson, 27:08.3. 21, Price Bo, Baylor, 27:10.7. 22, Vince

Sherry, Charlotte, 27:11.0. 23, Matt Ruhl, Virginia, 27:12.5. 24, Dean Bowker,

NC State, 27:12.7. 25, Scott Shaw, Clemson, 27:14.1. 26, Terah Kipchiris,

Coastal Carolina, 27:14.4. 27, Raegan Robb, Colorado State, 27:14.7. 28, Chris

Williams, Duke, 27:16.0. 29, Brian McGovern, Unc-Chapel Hill, 27:16.8. 30,

Andy Weilacher, Northern Arizona, 27:17.4. 31, Bryan Johnston, Bucknell,

27:18.5. 32, Josh Glabb, Colorado State, 27:19.5. 33, Dylen Welsh, Georgetown,

27:22.9. 34, Matt Chance, Baylor, 27:24.3. 35, Morrow Rob, Baylor, 27:24.8.

36, Jared Moore, Duke, 27:26.1. 37, Brad Bennett, Butler, 27:27.0. 38, Ryan

Fennelly, La Salle, 27:27.9. 39, Colin Benner, La Salle, 27:28.9. 40, Andrew

Smith, South Florida, 27:29.4. 41, Charlie Koeppen, Northern Arizona, 27:31.1.

42, Bill Michel, Colorado State, 27:32.3. 43, Brian Dunn, Butler, 27:34.2. 44,

Devin Swann, NC State, 27:38.4. 45, Nick Mangum, NC State, 27:38.5. 46, Robert

Wade, Loyola-Chicago, 27:38.6. 47, Ian Cronin, Duke, 27:40.3. 48, Taylor

Milne, High Point, 27:41.0. 49, Allen Carr, James Madison, 27:43.2. 50, Jesse

Norman, Western Carolina, 27:43.3. 51, Mike Reed, Appalachian State, 27:43.5.

52, Justin Motkowicz, Loyola-Chicago, 27:44.0. 53, Fleet Hower, Georgetown,

27:44.5. 54, Will Christian, Virginia, 27:44.6. 55, Ryan Neuhart, Virginia,

27:45.2. 56, Matt Mulvaney, Miami, 27:47.6. 57, Joep Tigchelaar, Florida

State, 27:48.3. 58, Todd Witzleben, La Salle, 27:49.0. 59, Ryan Toler,

Appalachian State, 27:49.7. 60, Gary Blackman, Butler, 27:50.0. 61, Maarten

van den Heuvel, Florida State, 27:50.9. 62, Adam Chumbley, South Florida,

27:51.1. 63, Daniel Parker, Florida, 27:52.5. 64, Terrance Coyne, La Salle,

27:52.7. 65, Walton Kingsbery, Virginia, 27:53.4. 66, Rolando Ortiz, Florida,

27:58.4. 67, Adrian Hill, High Point, 28:00.0. 68, Caleb Bailey, Western

Carolina, 28:01.1. 69, Dave Guerra, Florida State, 28:01.1. 70, Kevin Cook,

Florida State, 28:01.4. 71, Morgan Clark, Duke, 28:01.6. 72, Dan Boniface,

Miami, 28:02.5. 73, Timothy McAteer, La Salle, 28:02.7. 74, Bryan Skelly, La

Salle, 28:03.5. 75, Derrick Wyatt, Clemson, 28:03.8. 76, Tommy Evans, High

Point, 28:05.8. 77, Nick Mousetis, Bucknell, 28:06.4. 78, Cory Presnick,

Florida, 28:07.3. 79, Evan Kays, James Madison, 28:07.9. 80, Nate Adams,

Florida State, 28:09.1. 81, Rob Robertson, Unc-Chapel Hill, 28:10.2. 82, Jeff

Fairman, High Point, 28:10.7. 83, Lance Parker, Appalachian State, 28:12.8.

84, Chas Salmen, Duke, 28:14.3. 85, Nelson Oliveira, Coastal Carolina,

28:15.4. 86, Joel Thomas, Unc-Chapel Hill, 28:15.5. 87, Sean Conroy,

Loyola-Chicago, 28:17.6. 88, Pat Lenghan, Georgetown, 28:19.0. 89, Eric

Amdisen, Duke, 28:20.3. 90, Ryan Fenton, Clemson, 28:21.5. 91, Mike Nicks,

Colorado State, 28:23.3. 92, Matt Pimentel, Clemson, 28:27.0. 93, Ted Herbert,

James Madison, 28:27.9. 94, Alex Baikov, High Point, 28:28.9. 95, Josh Baker,

Charlotte, 28:29.1. 96, Eric Furst, Bucknell, 28:29.2. 97, Rob Kuhn, Georgia

Tech, 28:31.0. 98, Lennon Wicks, Butler, 28:32.2. 99, Alex Brutvan, Miami,

28:39.1. 100, Jared Kessen, Charlotte, 28:40.4. 101, Adam Puett, Western

Carolina, 28:41.3. 102, Carson Blackwelder, Appalachian State, 28:41.9. 103,

Ian Scott, James Madison, 28:44.0. 104, Eduardo Rodriguez, Florida

International, 28:45.0. 105, Carlos Hinojosa, Florida, 28:46.6. 106, Shane

Stroup, Florida, 28:47.3. 107, Ben Watkins, Western Carolina, 28:48.3. 108,

Christopher Carvelli, La Salle, 28:52.3. 109, Sam Bernal, Baylor, 28:53.0.

110, Stephen Schaefer, Bucknell, 28:53.4. 111, Niran Pillay, High Point,

28:53.9. 112, Joe Poliseo, Georgia Tech, 28:54.8. 113, Jonathan Berning,

Loyola-Chicago, 28:57.1. 114, Bill Meador, James Madison, 28:57.7. 115, Andy

Filachek, Virginia, 28:58.6. 116, Derrick Williamson, Appalachian State,

28:58.9. 117, Barry Rodgers, James Madison, 28:59.2. 118, Michael Eaton,

Loyola-Chicago, 29:01.0. 119, Giscard Titus, Florida State, 29:01.4. 120, Clay

Pendleton, Clemson, 29:06.0. 121, Mike Ryan, Charlotte, 29:06.9. 122, Jim Van

Veen, Florida State, 29:08.3. 123, Matt Daly, Unc-Chapel Hill, 29:09.1. 124,

David Adams, Clemson, 29:10.2. 125, Adam Sisler, Florida, 29:10.7. 126, Luke

Pitman, Charlotte, 29:11.5. 127, Bobby Borbet, Unc-Chapel Hill, 29:13.8. 128,

James Atchison, Virginia, 29:14.8. 129, James Mullaly, Miami, 29:15.6. 130,

Franklin Manchester, Appalachian State, 29:23.8. 131, Joseph Mazzeo, Florida

International, 29:23.9. 132, Nick Schneider, Duke, 29:29.2. 133, Wes

Reinhardt, Bucknell, 29:29.7. 134, Michael Felsberg, Florida International,

29:33.9. 135, Ed Schlichter, Charlotte, 29:36.4. 136, John Mitchell, Coastal

Carolina, 29:40.9. 137, Jorge Palmerola, Florida International, 29:41.5. 138,

Charles Millioen, Georgetown, 29:55.4. 139, Dash Victor, Unc-Chapel Hill,

29:58.9. 140, Philip Ramsey, Western Carolina, 29:59.4. 141, Kurtis Marlowe,

NC State, 30:03.5. 142, Matt Stuart, Appalachian State, 30:04.6. 143, Lou

Palma, Bucknell, 30:08.5. 144, Chip Carter, Gardner-Webb, 30:16.0. 145, Robbie

Infante, Florida International, 30:19.3. 146, Jared Prunty, High Point,

30:26.9. 147, Adam Jones, Georgia Tech, 30:28.2. 148, Michael Killoran,

Coastal Carolina, 30:28.7. 149, Alex Murphy, Loyola-Chicago, 30:29.1. 150,

Elliot Mason, Florida International, 30:34.9. 151, Daniel Moss, Georgia Tech,

30:35.9. 152, Mark Heidecker, Coastal Carolina, 30:39.2. 153, Mark Luffel,

Georgia Tech, 30:43.1. 154, Jamil Muhaimin, Charlotte, 30:47.3. 155, Cody

Wells, Baylor, 30:48.0. 156, Adam Gaske, Gardner-Webb, 31:09.8. 157, Matt

Maloney, Miami, 31:15.3. 158, Justin Foxworth, Coastal Carolina, 31:27.6. 159,

Clark Rivers, Georgia Tech, 31:37.7. 160, Billy Bludgus, Miami, 31:41.6. 161,

Raymond Chumbley, South Florida, 31:46.4. 162, Joe Huston, Florida

International, 31:48.4. 163, Eddie Vick, Western Carolina, 31:50.0. 164,

Jonathan Dameron, Gardner-Webb, 32:31.3. 165, Matthew Dameron, Gardner-Webb,

32:57.8. 166, Adam Stewart, Gardner-Webb, 33:32.6. 167, Andrew Howard,

Gardner-Webb, 33:56.0. 168, James Irwin, Western Carolina, 33:56.8.

Men 8k Run CC College "B"

1, Allen Bader, Wolfpack-B, 27:01.8. 2, Garrick Hill, Unattached, 27:08.7. 3,

Fred Kieser, Unattached, 27:27.4. 4, Bryce Ruiz, Wolfpack-A, 27:34.1. 5, Gabe

Olchin, Colorado State, 27:52.1. 6, John Henderson, NC State B, 27:57.7. 7,

Hunter Graham, Unc-Chapel Hill B, 28:05.8. 8, Neal D'Amato, Duke B, 28:06.6.

9, Matt Cianciulli, Colorado State, 28:11.9. 10, Lance Hall, Wolfpack-A,

28:16.8. 11, Bill Stewart, Unattached, 28:24.1. 12, Billy Duffy, Bucknell B,

28:25.2. 13, Michael Lyng, Virginia B, 28:28.1. 14, Matt Gutridge, Virginia B,

28:31.7. 15, Keith Rand, Duke B, 28:31.9. 16, Ben Yost, Virginia B, 28:34.8.

17, Kevin Kelly, Unattached, 28:35.3. 18, Dave Vitto, Virginia B, 28:37.3. 19,

John Huber, NC State B, 28:43.2. 20, Shawn Holland, App State B, 28:45.4. 21,

Kevin Brown, Bucknell B, 28:45.9. 22, Chris Bohle, App State B, 28:46.5. 23,

Casey Reardon, Duke B, 28:47.7. 24, Kevin McHale, Virginia B, 28:50.0. 25,

Travis Rivers, Bucknell B, 28:50.5. 26, Bill Peterman, Butler, 28:51.3. 27,

Derek Nakluski, High Point B, 28:54.5. 28, Campbell Claridge, Unattached,

28:55.1. 29, Matt Kassouf, Wolfpack-A, 28:55.8. 30, Steven Jayaraj, Atlanta

TC, 28:57.5. 31, Daniel Eggers, App State B, 29:04.0. 32, Cameron Bell, Duke

B, 29:08.8. 33, Doug Creveling, Bucknell B, 29:10.4. 34, Nate Roberson,

Florida B, 29:10.7. 35, Matt Goodale, High Point B, 29:12.9. 36, Colin Cronin,

Wolfpack-A, 29:14.6. 37, Marcus Jones, Bucknell B, 29:17.1. 38, Evan

Richardson, App State B, 29:22.2. 39, Pablo Durana, Unc-Chapel Hill B,

29:29.2. 40, Blake Jorgensen, Duke B, 29:29.6. 41, Garrett Davis, App State B,

29:32.1. 42, Cory Soulliard, Millersville B, 29:33.6. 43, Jesse Graytock,

Bucknell B, 29:34.2. 44, Domenic Panza, Millersville B, 29:35.1. 45, Clayton

Tillery, Unattached, 29:43.3. 46, Matias Palavacino, Bucknell B, 29:44.3. 47,

Nathan Hernandez-Adams, App State B, 29:47.0. 48, Jeff Fairman, High Point,

29:53.2. 49, Greg Weigh, Unattached, 29:56.1. 50, Jonas Holdeman, Unattached,

30:05.0. 51, Joe Taylor, Davidson B, 30:05.9. 52, Alan Gibson, App State C,

30:06.6. 53, Jon Renner, High Point B, 30:07.9. 54, Randy Johnson, Coastal B,

30:17.7. 55, Andrew Schoewe, Davidson B, 30:18.6. 56, Mike Brin, App State B,

30:22.0. 57, Jesse Rhodenbaugh, NC State B, 30:24.2. 58, Chris Carson, Butler,

30:27.3. 59, ??? Unknown, Unattached, 30:28.7. 60, Walker Saik, Davidson B,

30:32.9. 61, Brad Corpening, Una-Mountain Badgers, 30:33.8. 62, Kevin Bell,

Davidson B, 30:34.2. 63, Mike Oelz, Una-Mountain Badgers, 30:40.8. 64, Mike

Salmone, High Point B, 30:42.6. 65, Garrett Heitkamp, Coastal B, 30:48.1. 66,

Chris Trill, Millersville B, 30:53.5. 67, Peter Ellis, Wolfpack-B, 31:03.0.

68, A.J. Renkiewicz, Unattached, 31:08.6. 69, Chris Madzik, North Florida B,

31:10.8. 70, Mike Szalach, High Point B, 31:11.2. 71, Chris Foley, Unattached,

31:15.4. 72, Clayton Starkey, Unattached, 31:16.6. 73, Robert Allan,

Una-Mountain Badgers, 31:17.9. 74, Ben Gaspar, Davidson B, 31:18.1. 75, Pete

Morse, Unattached, 31:22.7. 76, Ryan Bayne, Mary Washington B, 31:23.8. 77,

Rich Medellin, Unattached, 31:31.6. 78, Donald Bowen, Florida B, 31:32.3. 79,

Stephen Schadler, Unattached, 31:33.3. 80, Brian Chadwell, Coastal B, 31:35.2.

81, Ben Shimko, North Florida B, 31:37.1. 82, Jason Harnett, W.Carolina B,

31:37.5. 83, Jerry Schwartz, Unattached, 31:40.4. 84, Shaun Dunning,

Millersville B, 31:50.3. 85, Ethan Dodson, App State C, 32:11.1. 86, Nick

Adams, High Point B, 32:37.4. 87, Bill Coningsby, Mary Washington B, 32:39.0.

88, Joe Crowe, Davidson B, 33:24.7. 89, Donald McGinn, North Florida B,

33:30.8. 90, Christopher Sunde, Unattached, 33:35.8. 91, Matt Dollins,

Unattached, 33:55.8. 92, Larry Scheid, Unattached, 34:18.2. 93, Mike Mendonca,

Unattached, 34:42.0. 94, Gavin Pfeiffer, Unattached, 35:30.4. 95, Jeff Buys,

Unattached, 35:59.0. 96, Tyler Larkins, Coastal B, 36:46.7. 97, Ron Poe,

Unattached, 37:01.0. 98, Raymond O'Conor, Unattached, 37:28.6. 99, James

Robison, Unattached, 38:19.1. 100, Richard Gerardi, Unattached, 39:11.2. 101,

Tim Iyoob, Unattached, 44:22.0. 102, Brian Zelk, Unattached, 44:49.6.

throw the times out, obviously they aren't exactly on tap, the weather was supposedly bad. some of those guys are studish that ran in the 27's....(yup i made that word up)tech is in a down year, last year they came 5 pts(or 30 meters) within nationals, fsu was painfully closer @ 3 points(or 10 of the same 30 meters), they should be reasonably solid, for the south, again this year. and i believe the college women ran 6K not 5K. you forget duke was a top 25 team 2 years ago, top 10 @ prenationals, ran out of gas at the -25 degree debacle @ iowa state. wake is perenially top 25.

the acc may not be the strongest conference, but for 9 teams its not that bad having 3 or 4 in the top 25 at some point every year?

While obsessions with cross country times is the most aggravating thing about the way so many people analyze the sport, that women's course was definitely not 6k. If so, Shalane Flanagan would have passed through 5k in about 14:50.

first of all conditions weren't really that bad. the parts on the actual golf course were fast, as the grass was nice and it wasn't really water logged. parts that sucked were off the golf course where the mud was thick. basically the course was long, long as sh*t. i would guess 700 to 800 meters long, and i ran in the college race. also, the people that ran the meet sucked, they were kicking people off the facilities shortly after the races ended. oh, and the guy at the Hilton sux for kicking our team out of the hot tub. and the people across the hall that just told us to be quiet suck also. I Am not a balloon expert.

The course was 5000 meters for girls and 8000 meters for guys. I know that for a fact because I designed it. The course was painted (double line) and measured several times over the last two days. This course is by far the most challenging "big meet" course in the country.

In terms of your opinion about the meet management. The races ended right before dark and the Ballatyne staff felt that safety was a issue if people were on the course in complete darkness. This is logical thinking right?

Basically this was a true cross country course. It was so challenging that time is irrelevant. This was about place, beating people, and teams scores. Anyone looking for PR's in cross country doesn't know the meaning of the sport. Track is about PR's, cross country is about racing and beating people.

I am interested in knowing what anyones thoughts are about the meet. If we do suck then let me know why and it will be fixed.

Thanks

Greg Hipp

Asst. Meet Director For Operations

Van...you're definately not exagerating. The Duke women pulled down a good recruiting class, but the Duke men are absolutely awful given what advatages a Stanford kind of school (private, well-endowed, prestigious academics) would seem to have. And you're right with the exception of NC State you rarely hear of an ACC team making any noise...and I don't think ALMOST making it to nationals (eg FSU) out of that district is all that impressive.

However, I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that their is a high population of good runners in ACC territory. The region has produced some real studs, but only recently has it been on par with the other traditionally strong areas (Midwest, West Coast, Northeast). Still with the resources Duke, UNC, Wake, GT and the rest of the ACC have they should on the whole be better, or at least significantly better than the SEC (minus Arkansas) which they really aren't.

Wow nAU was awesome. They put on a showing like no other. I'm calling NAU to finish no worse than 3rd now at NCAA's. There are an amazing team with an amazing coach. The coacrse was hard and muddy as crap, wrong place to have a race. Bad views for spectators and a very long walk. But a fun race to watch.

Timo wrote:

Bad views for spectators and a very long walk. But a fun race to watch.

From the start you could get the one mile by walking 50 meters, the two mile was only 50 meters from that and the finishs was only 100 meters from that. You could see the whole race by walking no more than 400 meters. How is that a bad spectatoing course?

As a former Duke runner, I can tell you that Duke has NONE of the advantages a Stanford has. The biggest difference is no scholarships -- there were all cut in the 1980s and given to the women's teams. Duke also has much higher academic standards than a Stanford in non-revenue sports (ie, not hoops and football). If you are top 5 in high school and brain dead, Stanford will slide you in, but Duke won't. Related to this is the fact that a lot of people will AVOID Duke because they don't want to have to actually go to class and take real classes. You can't major in physical education or massage at Duke (the biggest cream puffer major is Afro-American studies). I think the team is doing pretty damn well considering what it is up against. It certainly is doing a lot better than most schools that have $$$, easy admissions and 4 years of gut classes.

slow guy wrote:

Van...you're definately not exagerating. The Duke women pulled down a good recruiting class, but the Duke men are absolutely awful given what advatages a Stanford kind of school (private, well-endowed.

Duke has no male cross-country scholarships. None. In 2000, they were the ACC champions and were ranked as high as 12th. In 2001, they finished with a 14th place ranking. Currently, we are ranked 18th. Absolutely awful? What team has this much success with no scholarships? Do your research, dude.

Schneider is on money. Unless you want to consider that a track scholarship, which is what ALL XC scholarships are anyway.

Nice race for Nick also with that 29:29 and being 8th man for the Dukies.

That's what happens when you go to a traditionally strong school with great coaching like Duke.

The Barbarian wrote:

That's what happens when you go to a traditionally strong school with great coaching like Duke.

No, that's what happens when you have a bad race. Never had one?

Hipp,

You ask are opion and you get all pissed off and say that isn't how it was when we say it. The coarse was not spectotor friendly. Sorry, you think it was. You had to walk a mile just to get were people were running. Then the views weren't very good. You guys didn't have bleachers set up at the end to watch. But hey, i'm sure you have an excuse for that. All I'm saying is the place wasn't that great. Sorry you thought it was the best meet ever. I guess thats how you feel when you put it on.

Timo