What is Lananna thinking?

Name me one team other than CU that has won from the back? Arkansas, Stanford, Oregon have all won from the front. It's much harder to win from the back.

Alan

im goin with alan on this 1....only CU can get it done from behind...and the years they have come from behind its because they ran smart and the other teams went out too hard and died...lananna knows wat hes talking about...HES VIN

How many times has Colorado won from the back? Maybe one or two times. How many times have teams won from the front? Most years they win from the front....Colorado was an aberration. How did Colorado do from the back this year? Questions answered!! Vin is not a genius, just a guy who knows his stuff. How many championships will Colorado win over the nest 10 years? Probably none. How many will Oregon win? Probably 3 or 4. Wetmore's one or two championships don't make him a dynasty, just a lucky aberration.

Lucky aberration? You're a moron, which I will display in this post:

Wetmore has won not "one or two" but five team titles since 2000, two on the women's side, THREE on the men's (How many does Lananna have since 2000 again? Four. Still great--but not quite Wetmore. =) In fact, no one has won as many championships as Wetmore, and I believe that he is the only coach to ever win both team titles and both individual titles on the men's and women's side.

In the next ten years? With Lananna's ridiculous recruiting stream, I would be surprised if ANYONE but Oregon wins. If he is such a good coach, no one should. But when Wetmore won in 2004, 5/7 were from COLORADO. If Wetmore had similar talent, he would win every year.

Lananna is an above average coach and a tremendous recruiter. Wetmore is an above average recruiter and a tremendous coach. Take your pick on what is more impressive.

It's not even about "winning from the front" or "winning from the back" it's about physiology--running at an even pace conserves energy.

Considering Lananna didn't coach the women at Stanford, using this as a point in Wetmore's favor is pretty stupid.

So you've bought Wetmore's "woe is me" bs hook line and sinker

I suppose Lananna's recruiting was the reason he had Dartmouth and prior to that CW Post running so well.

If Wetmore is such an amazing coach, then why do his top athletes tend to shine after college? Yes they are good in college (because they were top recruits) but they get much better after. I'd say he's a conservatively very good coach and very good recruiter.

Arkansas is done, Wisconsin unfortunately sh@ts the bed at nationals nearly every year, Stanford is done, and now Vin is at Oregon.

Regarding your question to how many national championships vin has won since 2000, you do know that he left to Oberlin College to be an AD for several of those years right?

And he then returned to coaching at Oregon with a team that didn't even qualify for NCAA's the year before he came, and lost it's top runners due to graduation and on transfer. And yet in his first season after being their they were the Pac-10 and Regional Champs. This year, the undefeated NCAA champs and 2nd in the women. Not only that, his teams are YOUNG. Not only that, they have a bunch of people waiting in line to run on those teams.

Why is it so hard to recruit? Everybody says he's a great recruiter and a decent coach. Seems to me that most people are just crappy recruiters and decent coaches. Vin is good a both. For great recruiters and less than great coaching look at Wisconsin, Washington, UCLA, Cal etc. etc.

Basic question. If you have a group of guys who can go out and run 4:45 pace for a 10K cross race, and you have a bunch of guys who can't run that fast so they go out slower, and the first group can maintain their pace, how do you catch them?

You can't go out at 4:45 pace, but you need to get down to under 4:40 pace to get them? In the right conditions and course, maybe. Usually, bye bye.

Kind of straying from the topic, but do you think his success in recruiting cross runners is going to continue to be really successful? Once you get a glut of top runners at Oregon, wouldn't one expect the recruitment to fall off, as some runners will opt to go to other universitys just so they will be able to run cross. As it stands now, some of the top talent in the US sat out of DI Nats because Vin can only run seven.

Martin Smith was the first to coach individual and team men\'s and women\'s NCAA D1 XC champions...having done so by 1985.

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and I believe that he is the only coach to ever win both team titles and both individual titles on the men\'s and women\'s side.

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No, none of the "top runners" had to sit out. Oregon's #6 and #7 guys (Acosta and Wall) ran nothing close to the "top runners" and they beat out the #8, 9, 10 guys to get the trip to Terre Haute.

Speaking for the future, any XC runner with an iota of confidence will run at Oregon, regardless of where he/she eventually stacks up with the rest. A runner gets better by surrounding with other top runners (i.e. the Kenyan style). Other than not being at altitude (though that can be found 50 miles East), Eugene has miles of soft surface running trails, a fabulous coach, a community who cares and supports running, and the perfect XC distance running climate. True, some of those who are not interested in getting the most out of their running potential will go elsewhere. And some will stay close to home, or pick a specific university for it's academic specialty...but the majority of the top ones will want to run at Oregon.

Yeah and Martin Smith never won team titles on EITHER side.

See my point? Wetmore has all four. Smith has 2. I think Lananna has 3.

Wrong....Smith won the Women's team championship.

Smith took the 1985 Team and Individual championship for Wisconsin. In 1988, he again won the Team championship.

That's a great bit of news, that Lananna didn't coach the women. Because he coached the women at Oregon, I was assuming in his favor. In that case, Wetmore is the FAR superior coach since 2000, regardless of if Lananna had still been coaching those 2 years he wasn't.

Interesting. And I said he is an above average coach, not a bad one. So obviously his success elsewhere isn't in question.

LOOK AT HIS TEAM: He had 2nd and 3rd place FL finishers from one of the best FL years in history as his #1 and #2, then an FL #4 (Klotz) and FL #8 and #11 (Mercados) followed up by a former FL champion (Acosta) and a relatively unknown (Wall) who ran 15:33 in high school, has had three years of training I believe, and STILL should have sat for Centrowitz (FL 8th, 8:42 guy) or Hall (FL champ).

I WOULD WIN NCAAs WITH A TEAM LIKE THIS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. Just buy them all a copy of Daniel's Running Formula and you've got a trophy.

Lananna did coach the women at Stanford. He just wasn't as good with it as he was with the men.

I've heard stories of Lananna asking other coaches about how they coach their women.

I would say that most of Wetmore's athletes had more success with Wetmore than otherwise. The Torres have done all right, Goucher has been all over the board but ran most of his best races under Wetmore (let's see him beat Abdi or Meb now?). Ritzenhein has been better, but also all over the board. Kara Goucher, on the other hand HAS improved. But how can you compare how well they run in college, at a totally different physiological state, to how they run after? Men and women both reach their peak a few years after leaving college. Even if the coaching hasn't improved, it is very likely that the athletes will (especially when not over raced in the college system).

And a lot of those guys would stay with Wetmore afterwards, but he focuses on his team, not his pros.

He never won all four is really my point. Although touche, I didn't realize he had ever won a team championship. But he hasn't won it on both sides.

Martin Smith:

1981-1982 University of Virginia -- Two(2) Womens NCAA Team XC Championships. Women's Individual champion (1982 - Lesley Welch).

1985 & 1988 University of Wisconsin, Men's Team XC Championship. 1985 Men's Individual Championship

Smith's Team and Individual coaching accomplishments over the past 26 years overshadow what Wetmore has accomplished.

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Martin Smith:

1981-1982 University of Virginia -- Two(2) Womens NCAA Team XC Championships. Women's Individual champion (1982 - Lesley Welch).

1985 & 1988 University of Wisconsin, Men's Team XC Championship. 1985 Men's Individual Championship

Smith's Team and Individual coaching accomplishments over the past 26 years overshadow what Wetmore has accomplished.

Ah, so Wetmore must just be the person to do it at the same school, then. Thanks for the info. But the way I see it, that means Smith has 2 individual champions, and 4 team titles in 26 years, compared to Wetmore's 4 individual champions and 5 team titles in A THIRD of the time? Am I missing something?

lananna coached the women at stanford. he still coaches lauren fleshman.