NCAA Men's Team Qualifiers Guarntee

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how is new mexico going to be utep?

Does New Mexico have point on their own if they get 4th (I agree they can't beat Colorado, UTEP, or NAU)?

I also like Princeton getting out instead of William & Mary.

How does the West get 8 out?

Have they all beaten each other at one time or another?

I bet there is a team or two in the original post that will serve as a blocker.

Also, Michigan is a big question mark. Plenty of points, but finished way back at Big 10's.

tulsa???

the real question mark is woods. if woods can run 100%, i think michigan can beat notre dame. if williams comes out of nowhere, healthy and strong, they can definitely beat notre dame. forys has been a big help to them.

Woods is fine.

The injury may allow him to actually not be overworked by Warhurst. Michigan will be an auto. The Great Lakes sends 3 only if it's Wisconsin, ND, Michigan. These are the only 3 that can make it!

how do individual qualifiers work? How many do they take? Do individuals who qualify on teams take away spots?

How does Princeton stand a chance? Who have they beaten this year? The Ivy League is terrible.

I am a little skeptical of Woods ability to run well for Michigan. They were only fifth at Big Tens, with Ohio State and Indiana beating them. In fact, after the surprise race by Forys, Indiana's 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 runners were ahead of their counterparts from Michigan. Would those teams get pulled in if Michigan gets and Auto? I would not be completely surprised if Michigan again finished in a fifth spot if Lex and Woods are not running or running well.

I think I have a rough grasp on the points, but if the order goes

Wisconsin

ND

Indiana

Eastern

Michigan

then only the autos go.

You can't push two teams in and Michigan, though they have tons of points, can't push in 2 teams ahead of it.

For my Blue to make it, they have to finish 4th.

Anybody?

I definitley disagree that 8 teams from the west will get in...I say at the MOST 6 will. After last year's bad performances from the 9 that went, I highly doubt that the powers that be will allow it.

dude william and mary would dominate princeton. no chance princeton gets out over W&M

wm will definitely auto qualify. they fly under the radar all season and show up big when it matters.

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wm will definitely auto qualify. they fly under the radar all season and show up big when it matters.

That region is stacked, especially with UVA's surprise ACC win over NCSt.

Along with Louisville, it will take a very good performance for w&m to auto.

first off, its all based on a point system. No "powers that be" can keep a team from getting in if they have obtained the proper points. Secondly, it doesn't matter if William and Mary could kill Princeton...it matters who you beat and what place you come in at Regionals. That being said...if the rankings right now all play out the way that they are seeded this is who gets in: (I know this is not how it will play out...but too many stupid people making stupid comments)

AUTO TEAMS: (in no particular order, so don't freak out)

1. Alabama

2. Florida

3. Oklahoma St.

4. Minnesota

5. Iona

6. Providence

7. Arkansas

8. Texas

9. Wisconsin

10. Michigan

11. Oregon

12. Stanford

13. Northern Arizona

14. UTEP

15. Virginia

16. NC State

17. Georgetown

18. Princeton

AT LARGE BIDS (IN ORDER OF POINTS EARNED...Points for each team are in Parenthesees)

Round 1:

FSU (0), TULSA (2), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Notre Dame (7), California (4), Colorado (8), Louisville (4), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: COLORADO

Round 2:

FSU (0), TULSA (2), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Notre Dame (7), California (4), BYU (2), Louisville (4), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: NOTRE DAME

Round 3:

FSU (0), TULSA (2), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), California (4), BYU (2), Louisville +1 (5), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: LOUISVILLE

Round 4:

FSU (0), TULSA +1 (3), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), California +1 (5), BYU (2), William & Mary (2), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: CALIFORNIA

Round 5:

FSU (0), TULSA (3), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), Portland (4), BYU (2), William & Mary (2), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: PORTLAND

Round 6:

FSU (0), TULSA +1 (4), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), UCLA (4), BYU (2), William & Mary (2), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: TULSA (BEAT UCLA AT PRE-NATS)

Round 7:

FSU (0), Iowa St (4), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), UCLA (4), BYU (2), William & Mary (2), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: UCLA (BEAT IOWA ST. AT PRE-NATS)

Round 8:

FSU (0), Iowa St (4), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), Arizona St. (4), BYU (2), William & Mary (2), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: ARIZONA ST. (BEAT IOWA ST. AT ROY GRIAK INVITE)

Round 9:

FSU (0), Iowa St (4), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), Cal Poly (2), BYU (2), William & Mary (2), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: IOWA ST.

Round 10:

FSU (0), Illinois (0), Syracuse (3), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), Cal Poly (2), BYU (2), William & Mary (2), Villanova (0)

TEAM IN: SYRACUSE

Round 11:

FSU (0), Illinois (0), Cornell (0), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), Cal Poly +1 (3), BYU (2), William & Mary +1 (3), Villanova +1 (1)

TEAM IN: CAL POLY (BEAT WILLIAM AND MARY AT PRE-NATS

Round 12:

FSU (0), Illinois (0), Cornell (0), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), Washington (1), BYU (2), William & Mary (3), Villanova (1)

TEAM IN: WILLIAM AND MARY

Round 13: (FINAL ROUND)

FSU (0), Illinois (0), Cornell (0), Texas A&M (0), Ohio St (1), Washington (1), BYU (2), Eastern Kentucky (0), Villanova (1)

TEAM IN: BYU

AT LARGE TEAMS IN ORDER:

19. COLORADO

20. NOTRE DAME

21. LOUISVILLE

22. CAL

23. PORTLAND

24. TULSA

25. UCLA

26. ARIZONA ST.

27. IOWA ST.

28. SYRACUSE

29. CAL POLY

30. WILLIAM AND MARY

31. BYU

So...in this, I have shown what I know to be everyone's points earned and when those points actually come into play (highlighted by the +1, each time a team that gets in was beat by others on the board.) Again, I know this is not how things will play out, but I just thought I'd give some a little insight as to how it all works. No committee can deny a team from going because there are already 6 or 7 teams in from their region if they are the next team with the most points. This is not the NCAA basketball tournament. This comes down to who you beat during the season.

thats an awesome post, well done. I was pretty clueless on how the points system worked until now +can also now see that my team should make it to nationals!

Why won't Colorado be an Auto Team?

I am not going to disagree with the application of the rule but raise a question. Assume that teams face locals more often than non-locals (e.g., not all meets are like PreNats where lots of teams come from all over). Given multiple meets between teams there will be times when some teams are beaten, especially teams that are running a B team to determine who goes to nationals (what if a good team went to the local Wisconsin race to beat the Wisconsin B team?). Under these conditions I think that you get a 'clumping' of teams in a region that overstates the true value of the region.

Playbythe rules: You seem to have a consistent grasp of the rules and of the way the competitions playout. Can you discuss this issue?