Can someone tell me the last time they declared a deadheat in at a major track race? You hear about this happening in horse races.
the womens' 100m took about 5 minutes to figure out. Should it just be called a tie?
Can someone tell me the last time they declared a deadheat in at a major track race? You hear about this happening in horse races.
the womens' 100m took about 5 minutes to figure out. Should it just be called a tie?
they go to thousandths. last time it was this was close was in 1993 - ottey vs. devers.
In some sports (swimming, to be particular), if a performance is still tied down to a certain place (thousandths, I think), the race is declared as a dead heat.
Usher wrote:
In some sports (swimming, to be particular), if a performance is still tied down to a certain place (thousandths, I think), the race is declared as a dead heat.
But this isn't the case when medals are involved, only advancement.
But the truth is, the modern camera that they're using are capable of determining the winner down to an outstanding revolution. Doubtful you'll ever see a dead heat again.
And with horse racing, its a different finishing protocol. Use of FinishLynx esque cameras is a relatively recent innovation.
But the truth is, the modern camera that they're using are capable of determining the winner down to an outstanding revolution.
i have heard from finish lynx operators that it is accurate to within 1/40th of an inch
I'm pretty sure they use finishlynx for horeracing or something similar.
Sure it may be 1/40th of an inch but there is a lot of subjectivity determining who won I think in looking at the women's 100m or a race that close.
Here's the official photo:
http://osaka2007.iaaf.org/images/photofinish/3653/W_100_f_1.jpg
The cameras are good down to 0.001 sec or better, but the trickier part here is determining "valid" parts of anatomy. The whole thing comes down to whether Lauryn Williams got he shoulder (valid part of the chest) across or whether it's just the upper arm (not valid). Obviously, breast size matters.
A number of people think Williams got robbed.
There was a tie for third in the men's 200 in 2001 and they both got bronze. That would be zebra man and Kim Collins.
It would be nice to see the photo from the other side of the track, also. Anyone see that one posted anywhere?
Coach D wrote:
Here's the official photo:
http://osaka2007.iaaf.org/images/photofinish/3653/W_100_f_1.jpgThe cameras are good down to 0.001 sec or better, but the trickier part here is determining "valid" parts of anatomy. The whole thing comes down to whether Lauryn Williams got he shoulder (valid part of the chest) across or whether it's just the upper arm (not valid). Obviously, breast size matters.
A number of people think Williams got robbed.
yeah - i mean when it is THAT close what is the point in splitting them? How can anyone really say that Williams wasn't as fast as Campbell. It's a joke!
That looked like Williams was first, but who knows.
1984 OG, W110HH, tie for bronze between Kim Turner, USA and Michele Chardonnet, FRA, both timed in 13.06. That's the last dead heat in a mjor meet I can recall.
Having read thousands of finish photos, it's true there is a degree of subjectivity, in determining the arm/shoulder deliniation. That's why there are generally 3 officials to look at close ones like the W100. They also have a secondary camera shooting from the other side of the track that can often, but not always, help in clarifying the decision.
Suring the Sydney Olympics in 2000 Gary Hall Jr. and Anthony Irvin tied for the gold medal in the 50 meter dash. Although looking at the photo of Campbell and Williams, I think its clear Campbell hit the tape first and is the winner. Good story for Williams getting the silver after a rough 20 months.
Yes, Lauryn was robbed. The photo finish clearly shows her finish. What is the problem and why have photo finishes if they are not used?
its just upper arm that is accross, campbell got her torso (valid part) accross before williams. THe controversy is whether williams got a shoulder accross, but it doesn't look like it to me.
Wejo, damn good question! Dead heats are not at all uncommon in horse racing. In fact, there was a stakes race at Aqueduct in the 1940's which resulted in a TRIPLE dead heat.
It seems that the problem is body parts. It is easy to see which horse's nose hit the finish line first, and occasionally two noses are there at the same instant. With humans, it's a lot tougher trying to judge what is torso, with arms, legs, shoulders, and breasts flailing.
look at her shoulder muscle, thats where the shoulder begins in most definitions. The same judges even said so in other split decisions. Its the muscle, which is about 2 inches infront of Campbell's erect nipples which won her the race.
veronica won it by a boob
which is pretty cool if you ask me
