LEO 1:45 800 Time Trial

So Webb has a blog and posts his TT on there does he. Would be interested if you could post that link for us!!!

If someone watched Webb train and posted that here on letsrun, then that's a totally different thing...ps I think we all new Webb was going to break the mile record after his 3:30 run, a 2:48 TT is not that impressive as I'm sure he could run 2:45ish if he wanted. All I'm saying is that sometimes it's good to keep somethings to yourself and let your races speak for themselevs.

JRinaldi wrote:

All I'm saying is that sometimes it's good to keep somethings to yourself and let your races speak for themselves.

And that is why track sucks!

No personalities.

A bunch of wussies scared of offending their competitors.

JRinaldi lets try to have fun with track and then maybe it will get more popular and maybe exciting for once.

Give the guy a break, it's not boasting when you post about your runs on a running journal.

Obviously, since Leo chose to remain in the United States and not race in Europe he feels he needs to do some time trial efforts to get used to racing. I agree with another poster that said if he had run 1:45 in a meet, we would all be ooing and ahhing. The point is, his training is going well and he is doing everything in his power to run well at Osaka.

123everyoneonthefloor wrote:

I will vouch for Leo. that 149 at big xiis was from the back. Jogged the first 600 and hten rolled everyone up. He is very capable of a 145

Maybe in some Playstation version of track and field. He's maybe, maybe, a 1:47 guy right now, in the right race.

JRinaldi wrote:

All I'm saying is that sometimes it's good to keep somethings to yourself and let your races speak for themselevs.

It's not like he started this thread himself. If I run a 2:10 800m time trial and post it on my running blog I doubt I'd have people say "keep it to yourself, let the races speak for themselves," why should he get this shit?

It's like you have a different standard for him because he's in the limelight, but at the same time you're against a certain type of behavior that could make bigger stars out of these guys.

kartelite wrote:

JRinaldi wrote:

All I'm saying is that sometimes it's good to keep somethings to yourself and let your races speak for themselevs.

It's not like he started this thread himself. If I run a 2:10 800m time trial and post it on my running blog I doubt I'd have people say "keep it to yourself, let the races speak for themselves," why should he get this shit?

It's like you have a different standard for him because he's in the limelight, but at the same time you're against a certain type of behavior that could make bigger stars out of these guys.

Thats what I'm talking about.

I think this sport needs a little self promotion.

i saw him run 1:52 as a sophomore in high school, so this isn't surprising, although it is promising

JRinaldi,

First you dodged my question with that very witty response of yours.

What would you have said if the same result was next week in japan in a low key meet with a rabbit?

It seems all you are saying is that you aren't supportive of the same athletes and the sport that you are supposed to care about. This thread was started as a supportive thing with interested fans of the sport in mind; yet somewhere this got sidetracked by you and other posters who decide that American runners suck and decide to put them down and criticize their every move. For someone like Leo to run a full collegiate schedule, then come back finish 2nd at USAs, and now still be able to run a 1:45 is incredible enough.

Are you one of the same posters who criticized everything Webb did the last couple years when he was preparing for the races he has had this year? Probably now think he is on drugs huh? It is amazing to see how often a thread about how far downhill the message board has gone springs up; yet everything on here is negative. It isn't a surprise at all that the elites and coaches that used to post here don't want to anymore when there are people like you waiting to tear their every move apart.

Is it really that hard to be supportive of our athletes and their accomplishments? Would it shock you if Lukezic ran that time? Yet since Leo has never lost to Chris it is a huge shock to the world that he ran 1:45.

Let me know.

i seem to remember him running some 800m last year at track regionals or something and running 1:50 to christian smith's 1:47 or something similar. christian smith seemed to really pull away from everyone in that one. how come this year he is 4 or 5 seconds faster and these times have never come about in the 800m races he has run?

toro wrote:

It's not hard to negative split 1:49 if you are capable of 1:46/1:47.

You'd figure that he would at least log his time to the tenth of a second for something like that.

I believe a 3:35 guy can run a rabbitted, running start time trial 1:45.

And he should get a practice medal.

Yet you don't seem to use tenths of a second yourself. Quit bagging on the guy. He's going to Osaka and is a bad ass. Besides, I saw him at Freebird's the other day.

I actually get JRinaldi's point. The point is that time trials don't mean jack s$%#....so why bother talking about them?

Does anyone remember that Alex guy that used to post on this site claiming to run 3 miles in 15 minutes on the treadmill, but could only run 17:30 for 5K in a real event? Or what about Brandon Moen and his 30:00 10000 time trial? I'm not saying Leo is lying, I'm just saying the only times that matter are times run in races.

What would Leo and Trey Hardee have to prove to anyone by lying. Both of them are NCAA champs and Trey has two NCAA records. I think their past achievements speak for themselves.

JRinaldi?

Anything?

I guess Warhurst and Willis are wrong for doing an 800 meter time trial as well. And from Warhurst words apparently Peter Snell did this too. They must all be wrong....

...or Leo is in nasty shape and you should learn how to be supportive.

Just thinking back as well; you mentioned people would say Leo left it all on the practice track if he ran badly. Were you merely getting a head start on your own criticism. This seems to be your forte so i guess you need to stick with it. Being positive is so hard sometimes.

if he ran 1:45 in a TT he should be running the 800 and not the 1500. 1:45 is way better than 3:35 or whatever hes run. also if he can do that in practice then he should be running 1:43 in a good race and should be winning worlds in the 800 instead of getting his ass kicked in the 1500

JRinaldi wrote:

a 2:48 TT is not that impressive as I'm sure he could run 2:45ish if he wanted.

ummmmm, no.

who knows wrote:

if he ran 1:45 in a TT he should be running the 800 and not the 1500. 1:45 is way better than 3:35 or whatever hes run. also if he can do that in practice then he should be running 1:43 in a good race and should be winning worlds in the 800 instead of getting his ass kicked in the 1500

who are you, and why do you think you are someone to say(with validity) that Leo Manzano SHOULD be running this or that time and winning this or that. I'd say there is a 100% chance that he ran 1:45. When Webb ran 3:53 in HS, he came through 1500m in 3:38, and Webb's PR in the 800 was 1:48ish. It isn't unrealistic at all that Manzano could run 1:45 right now,

AND

what soo many of you extremely knowledgeable posters seem to have forgotten is that last year, in 2006, Tom Lancashire ran 1:45 in the middle of the NCAA outdoor season, and the best he ever ran was 3:39 or so. It's funny how he ran that in a college meet and no one seemed to give a you know what and Leo does this with a pacer and with no heavy pressure to burden him and you guys think it's ridiculous. I think you people are ridiculous and need to observe and think more before you write or speak.

We are talking about a guy who beat Lagat in the last 100m of a 1500m race. Lagat who has run 3:26.change. Is it really unbelievable that Leo Manzano could run 1:45 right now, this far into the season?

I think Lukezic has run 1:47.x PR for 800 maybe 1:46.x chasing, and has run 3:32?

Lomong's PR at 1:45.7x from behind, was run right after he beat Manzano at 1500, at NC's.

I know that if I ran a 1:45 time trial, even if it was with a flying start, rabbit and no traffic, I'd be pretty freaking happy. Given that Manzano was right on Webb's heels until the last 50m at USATF, and Webb recently wnet 1:43, 1:45 seems reasonable for Manzano.

It's FANTASTIC to see that all three of our 1500m guys are hitting their peaks perfectly for Osaka.

is Lagat running the 1500m and the 5000m?