Alan Webb Going for Mile Record Saturday

Peeps I love wrote:

webby wrote:

Lukezic Chris USA

Looks like it was done just for Alan.

Lukezic will be lucky if he can run 400 meters at Webb's pace.

Chicken lover, what is your problem? Chris has been ill for the last week with bronchitis. I don't know if he will be well to run this race on Sunday.

May I ask how you know this? Also, I assume Ritz and Abdi will be trying to run under 13:10, which would mean low 7:50s for 3000. Will Dobson really be able to do that after the 1500?

webby wrote:

Ritz is in the 5000, which Dobson will rabbit about 90 minutes after he races a 1500.

I think this is good wrote:

May I ask how you know this?

webby wrote:

Ritz is in the 5000, which Dobson will rabbit about 90 minutes after he races a 1500.

Its in the start list.

It seems Like Myers may be rallying this summer. Ran 3:36 at adidas, 3:36 at Lausanne, and 3:37 in Sheffield. I don't see him on the Brassadt start though. Is he done for season?

I admire the talent and determination of Webb to go for the AR in the mile. However, why risk flaming out prior

to the World Championships?

pert wrote:

I admire the talent and determination of Webb to go for the AR in the mile. However, why risk flaming out prior

to the World Championships?

How is 1 race going to cause a "flame out"?

can someone post the 1500/mile/5000 start lists to this thread. i don't have the spreedsheet reader.

Flotrack will have the race.

your future made easier wrote:

How is 1 race going to cause a "flame out"?

Some people think you only have so many all-out, 100% efforts per season.

Does anyone know what happened to Lukezic this year. Last year he ran a 3:33 1500 and now probably won't even beat Fountain, a runner very much Lukezic's equal.

Alas, we had the highest hopes for Lukezic when he made the World 1500 meter indoor finals last year. Then came two consecutive 3:33 runs the following outdoor season.

The main difference now and in 1982 is that back then Scott and Maree had great backups like the upcoming Jim Spivey(3:49mile), Tom Byers (3:50 mile), and Todd Harbour (3:51). There was also 5k expert John Gregorek (3:51 Mile) that could be called on for the mile.

Obviously, Webb will break 3:50 Saturday. It is just a case of by how many seconds. We have waited a quarter century for this day. Scott set his record during the summer of ET and Fast Times at Ridgemont High. It was that long ago.

He won't flame out. He has five weeks to recover after the race.

I think Webb, Manzano and Lagat happened to Lukezic.

Otherwise, 3:36 at the US Trials makes the team any other year.

I also just noticed that the year wasn't over.

1500 Women A 17.50

Van Beek Corinne NED PACE

Mc Williams Tiffany USA

Mortimer Amy USA

Shadle Ann USA

Metcalfe Megan CAN

Grove Andrea CAN

Muncan Marina SERV

Vashuk Irina UKR

Martins Maria FRA

Belete Mimi KKS

Pruvost Fanny FRA

Lyngstad Hanne NOR

Fleshmann Lauren USA

Galavis Lisa USA

Deatherage Jenelle USA

Kitushi Rosemary VAC

Donohue Erin USA

1500 men A 18.05

Verbrughe David FRA PACE

Jansen Joeri RIEME

Van Rooy Tom ACHL

Brooks Thomas USA

Jefferson Sean USA

Jefferson John USA

McKenzie Ryan CAN

Warrenburg Ryan USA

Coolsaet Reid CAN

Graham Sean USA

Hamblyn Paul NZL

Hyett Gareth NZL

Smith Max NZL

Aguayo Aaron USA

O'Keefe Brendan USA

Eraud Guillaume FRA

Kamal Alithemer QAT

Dobson Ian USA

400 men B 18.20

Klaasen Martijn NED 1

Verekauta Niko FIJI 2

Verschueren Peter ACBR 3

Kamut Moses VAN 4

Deveughele Piet FLAC 5

Gybels Niels AVZK 6

400 men A 18.27

Vritcic Joze SLO 1

Innes Cory NZL 2

Potter Mitch USA 3

Witherspoon Reggie USA 4

Scherer Matt USA 5

Sasaki Yudai JAP 6

100 women A 18.35

Okabe Nao JAP 1

Spierenburg Kristel NED 2

Van Assendelft Pascal NED 3

Cullen Fiona CABW 4

Bogemans Elke ACW 5

Hodde Rosina NED 6

100 men A 18.42

1

Dolphin James NZL 2

Ferro Anthony CABW 3

Demi Omole USA 4

Farmer Kyle USA 5

Ward Alex NED 6

800 women A 18.55

Pruvost Chloe FRA PACE

Teteris Aimee CAN

Johnstone Rebecca CAN

Ross Joanna SCO

Howard Julia CAN

Van De Veen Jose NED

Halima Hachlaf MAR

Falhun Carine FRA

Green Nikeya USA

Cook Nicole USA

Matthijs Lieselot OB

Fouquet Virginie FRA

Jaber Najla NED

Long Jump Women 19.05

Mey Karen RSA

Stadnyuk Oleksa UKR

King Tameisha USA

Shchors Olena UKR

Cooke Gillian SCO

Aerts Sara AVOS

Vercammen Eveline ACBR

Kortbeek Valentine NED

Verduyn Karlien AVKA

Meert Cynthia LAT

High Jump Men 19.05

Stroobants Stijn LAT

Nuyens Martijn NED

Harris Marcus USA

Hubert Timothy EA

Cianci Matthias FRA

Vrysen Vincent AVT

Fouquet Lyderic FRA

Speer/Javelin Men 19.05

Goyvaerts Tom OLSE

Claes Chris RIEME

Blommerde Jeroen AT84

Van Den Bossche Vincent DUFF

Vercruysse Jarno FLAC

800 men A 19.05

Brunez Guillaume FRA PACE

Matthys Thomas ACBR

Harris Jebreh USA

Ruto Nahashon KEN

Thompson Floyd USA

Langat Jackson KEN

Elliot Kevin USA

Yousfi Driss FRA

Barre Julien FRA

Lastenet Jeff FRA

Duym Jelle RCG

Lomba Jimmy FRA

5000 women A 19.15

Vaschuk Irina UKR PACE

O'Neill Kate USA

Huddle Molly USA

Hastings Amy USA

Lucas Julia USA

Inatomi Yukari JAP

Akbar Samia USA

Hirokawa Maya JAP

Loubelle Nathalie BBS

Dewaele Griet DEIN

Homma Annelies NED

Panhuyzen Machtild NED

Verstraeten Jolanda NED

Lambrechts Nathalie ACBR

5000 men A 19.40

Mahon Terren USA PACE 1

Dobson Ian USA PACE 2

Cragg Alistair IRL

Maase Kamiel NED

Carlson Andrew USA

King Kyle USA

Morgan Thomas USA

Haas Stephen USA

Olinger Brian USA

Gabrielson Mat USA

Asmeron Bolota USA

Fagah Martin IRL

Safronov Dmitriy RUS

Marofit Mourad MAR

Selmouni Anes MAR

Summerside Seth USA

Gillis Eric CAN

Koborsi Rod USA

Ritzenheim Dathan USA

Nasserchams Kareem QAT

Essa Ismail Rached QAT

Nasser Jamal Nasser QAT

200 women B 20.05

1

2

Verboven An RAM 3

Okabe Nao JAP 4

Verboven Nathalie RAM 5

6

200 women A 20.12

1

Spierenburg Kristel NED 2

Van Assendelft Pascal NED 3

Bogemans Elke ACW 4

Nagakura Yuka JAP 5

Baarse Judith NED 6

200 men B 20.20

1

Bruins Harm 2

Ward Alex NED 3

Suzuki Yoshi JAP 4

Goffaux Simon CABW 5

6

200 men A 20.27

1

Dolphin James NZL 2

Ferro Anthony CABW 3

Witherspoon Reggie USA 4

Farmer Kyle USA 5

Vritcic Joze SLO 6

800 women B 20.35

Pruvost Chloe FRA PACE

Aiken Alyssa USA

Castle Jennie USA

McMahon Emily USA

Debroux Charlotte DCLA

Luxem Xenia OLSE

Begue Sorelle FRA

Baudour Claire FRA

Hoppenbrouwers Maja ACBR

Brooks Vicky USA

Haring Renata NED

Grutters Ingrid NED

Tavares Laura FRA

800 men B 20.45

Verschueren Peter ACBR PACE

Myers Rob USA

Emmen Tetloo USA

Kuchino Takeshi JAP

Feyaerts Matti VAC

Ruell Kim DCLA

Van Aelst Stefan ACBR

Teugels Dimitri ACBR

De Bock Maarten RCG

Profitt Vincent FRA

Bocar Kane FRA

Luyckx Tim OEH

Papaert Wouter RCG

Mile men 21.00

Youcef Abdi PACE 1

Surrum Samson PACE 2

Webb Alan USA

Fountain Mark AUS

Lukezic Chris USA

Dame Tasama RFCL

1500 women B 21.15

Deelstra Andrea NED

Carlstrom Keira USA

Anderson Brianna USA

De Schryder Selien VS

Van Accom Sofie ACHL

Laurijsen Griet ARAC

Van Den Bogaert Valerie ACW

Van De Voorde Lies DUFF

Van Sinay Evelien VS

Bellemans Hannelore LAT

Bergman Laurence OEH

Montfils Charlotte CABW

Montfils Pauline CABW

Hendrickx Melissa ZELE

Leunis Nena VS

Van Der Meeren Lisa VS

Onderbeek Sari VS

Bosmans Kim AVT

Hubert Clemence BBS

Lauwers Shana AVOS

Hauzeur Roxane CABW

1500 men B 21.27

David Romain FRA PACE

Thielen Chris LUX

Caraciolo Rob Guin

Defaux Marc FRA

Van Den Heuvel Maarten NED

Beugnet Greg FRA

Scheurwater Ruben NED

Weerts Jean-Pierre DAMP

Dumont Damien ULA

Mahieu Justin DAMP

Marrison Paul CAN

Watson Luke USA

Keysers Noel NED

Konings Roger RFCL

1500 men C 21.37

Bouchiki Soufiane OLSE

De Bock Thomas VS

Van De Hurk Gerwin NED

Hundo Julien FRA

Janssens Koen AVOS

Van De Weghe Lieven KKS

Van Dyck Pieter ACHL

Van Ophem Jeremy DCLA

Van Der Elst Frederik ZA

Otten Michiel NED

Hausman Thomas DAMP

Szigetti Ron NED

De Schrijver Davy LAT

De Beule Jurgen OLSE

Dewulf Pieter RIEME

Wytinck Thomas RIEME

Van Den Bergh Bert VAC

1500 men D 21.45

Daniels Andrew AVOS

Reniers Karel ACA

Van Beek Rob ARAC

Dillen Nils ACHL

Van Der Elst Wouter VS

De Schrijver Dimtri ZELE

Van Elsuewe Tim ZELE

Ghysels Stijn VS

Hendrickx Nicolas VS

Wens Jan ARAC

Bourdij Sabri DS

Thiebout Thimotee DS

Joly Jente DUFF

Colonval Nicolas FLEU

Geens Gunther ACHL

Bömer David NED

5000 men B 21.55

Bong Bernard HF

Lauwers Aurelien CABW

Hassan Ali CABW

Bergmann Sebastien OEH

Grenier Laurent HF

Van Roey Jan ACBR

Vallee Francois DS

Guelton Gaetan DS

I hope Webb gets the record and think he will in the near future, but this race set-up for him doesn't seem like the best way to do it. Having competition around him would really help instead of just having 2 rabbits pace him through a time trial. Maybe the crowd can give him an extra boost but I think he has a better chance of setting the AR in a race with competition.

Lukezic has run under 3:35 a handful of time. He will be back. In the era of Stember, Lunn, and Berryhill, Lukezic would have won the trials!

I still think Myers is more talented.

All the best to Webb in this attempt.

I agree that on paper the rest doesn't seem like the ideal setup, given that no one is going to push him to it after 1200m. On the flip side, Webb seems to enjoy being a front-runner, so he wouldn't necessarily need (or want?) someone to pull him to the AR.

I looked at history to see how many mile times run faster than Scott's 3:47.69 were set in races where no other finisher broke 3:50. It has happened 7 times (out of 22), and only 4 times where no one else broke 3:52.

Morceli did it three times in 93, including his PR and the former world record of 3:44.39 in Rieti. Goes to show how far ahead of the competition he was that year.

Aouita did it twice, in 1985 and in 1987. Ray Flynn ran a 3:51 in his 1985 race.

El Guerrouj did it in Nice in 1998--El G ran 3:44.6, Rotich ran 3:51.x He did it again in London in 1999, Laban Rotich ran a 3:50.79 in that race.

9 times the second place finisher has at least been in the ballpark--the consummate example of this being the El Guerrouj-Ngeny duel in '99 where the WR was set. Scott had John Walker and Ray Flynn to push him to his fastest time, which was just off the world record back in 82.

6 times a "sub-Scott" time was run by a 2nd or 3rd place finisher... hard to imagine running a 3:46.7 and finishing 3rd...

I don't know how this analysis would look if we used a similar method for 1500m races. There would be more races to full from, but there's always been more mystique to breaking mile records.

With all respect to Scott, I agree this is a record that finally needs to go down! It was set before Webb was born!

not the "ideal set up?" i beg to differ.

with ideal racing conditions (no wind, nice temp, even rabbits through 1200), webb is very capable of running 3:47 low this saturday.

youtube webbs 3:51 at drake:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gKxqeJcUx-A

he ran that time primarily off strength training. i don't think he could have run 3:30 then. now, with some fine tuning (800m and 1500m pr), he is ready to run 4 sec faster.

DRAKE RECAP

- webb ran the last 600m by himself

- windy day

- uneven rabbiting job (55, 60)

Cram came through in 1:53 high en route to 3:46.

56, 57, 57, 57 = the record falls

The announcers in that drake video were really terrible- the one for sure "Jefferson wants the record for himself" about 5 seconds later jefferson steps off "He was the pace setter, what is known as the rabbit" Man- that announcer was an idiot.