North Korea's motives

That should read "this has me thinking"

North Korea wants to continue the status quo,

basically being forgotten, while it builds its war machine. Its funny, it begs for food and oil, yet it has some of the most advanced fighters, tanks, and missiles in the world thanks to Russian and Chinese defense exports. It has significant coal reserves no one ever talks about, and is also a good source of Tin, Molybdenum, and Copper. They also have millions of of potential workers for slave labor.

Per Capita they're more armed than we are by a lot, and even more so than Iraq was in 1980-89 under Saddam. Don't believe anything you see about them being on the verge of collapse. They are China's pawn, which China will use when the time comes.

Under some scenarios, if China were to attack Taiwan, Iran were to attack Iraq/Saudi Arabia, and North Korea were to attack South Korea (backed up by Chinese forces, and friendly South Koreans opposed to U.S and Japanese influence) the U.S would be hard pressed to stop it.

On the outset of a conflict, Japanese forces which could protect Taiwan faster than we could, would be held hostage by North Korean missiles which could easily strike any part of Japan.

Basically, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Persian Gulf, would be shut down, and those economies that depend on those areas would suffer greatly. World commerce would cease practically, world oil shipments would dwindle. Basically the worst fears you could have, apart from Nuclear War which wouldn't be far off.

Bloomberg talks at length about Chinese and Iranian capabilities, and North Korea isn't too far behind.

Kim Jung Il values his life and his reputation as much as the next guy.

He's not going to give Nuclear material to terrorists.

First of all, when that material is used, The first targets will be Iran and North Korea. 10 nukes, is all it would take and those countries would be gone. We would do this, even if it wasn't them. We would do this simply because Iran and North Korea are unacceptable threats, and the pawns of Russia and China.

Ok, so lets say a 'Jericho' like event gets blamed on North Korea and Iran, to cull the U.S population and avoid devastating oil shocks which are going to happen regardless. which wouldn't be that bad of an idea. Of course, the problem is China and Russia, would they allow the U.S leadership (Financial leaders, Gov't, defense, so on) to literally kill us and blame it on someone else? No. They wouldn't.

This is why I fully believe if a 'Jericho' like event occurs, it will be blamed on anti-government/anarchist/christian fundamentalists or muslims. Now, would the rest of the world let us Nuke the last real sources of Oil? No they wouldn't.

so you have to ask yourself, what would you do, if you needed to kill millions of people to avoid oil shocks? You would start world war 3, kill a little bit at a time, and stop commerce cold in its tracks with one off nuclear attacks. North Korea is one of the last major actors in this disgusting play, not one of the first. IMO.

They need to stay around so we have a punching bag with nuclear weapons.

Talk about blaming others. Why pick on NK only. Israel has the bomb and commits mass genocide against Palestinians. The US committed two of the worst war crimes in all of human history, nuking Japan twice, yet pretends to itself at least be some sort of moral authority (the rest of the civilization thinks otherwise).

Nuclear material is easily traceable, but it is also readiliy available on the black market. High quality weapons grade material sourced from plants in Russia, United States, Pakistan, Japan, England, Iran, India, China, and of course, North Korea. Small tactical nuclear weapons can be made from black market material, detonated, and traced back to the black market source. Whether the bombmaker can be traced remains questionable. The United States can no longer use nuclear blackmail to threathen other nations. The playing field is now more level than ever before.

ok, the U.S isn't one person.

Also, in that instance, I would have nuked Japan as well. Any sane Japanese would have nuked Japan. 3 million for 15 million or more.

But why did Truman want to use nuclear weapons? He knew what the effects, generally, would be. Some Business/Financial leaders did not want to use the weapon simply because keeping its effects hidden could allow them further leverage later. Its kind of like opening pandora's box, except they wanted to pick the time and place. Truman would have none of it. He blew it up so the world would know how bad Nukes were God Bless him, and has since saved millions of lives.

So what did these business/financial interests do? They gave it to Russia.

Of course, what happens? Truman leaves, enter Eisenhower, another great President. He specifically mentions these interests, the 'industrial-military complex' in speeches near the end of his term, basically he had lost control over non-government financial/business entities controlling the country via the IMC.

(note: the IMC and Business interests are very similar and can be used in this instance as a singularity)

Ok, here comes Nixon, in a bid to trump Kennedy, which the ICM pulled heavily for, I mean they pulled out the stops on Nixon in 1960. They wanted him in no matter what because he was extremely friendly to the ICM and Business interests. So Kennedy wins, and starts asking questions about the IMC that Eisenhower had raised, especially after the Cuban Missile Crisis, which was bound to happen after the crap the ICM pulled giving nukes to Russia in 1946-9. SO what happens when Kennedy demands where Billions are going and what these shadow programs are? He gets offed, Mafia style.

It gets blamed on a crazy, who turns out to be more talkity, then the crazy gets offed, the offer of the crazy gets killed in Prison.

and that is the history of America.

And I would have blown up the WTC on 9-11 and so would any rational thinking American. After all the Middle East has been occupied by European and American Zionists. To save lives, yes some Americans had to die in the WTC, but overall it's a small sacrafice, thrwarting the invasion of Palestine by foreign armies and colonialists. In the big picture, 9-11 was a justifiable heroic act of war, as are the other military operations of Al Quaeda, Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian, Sunni, Pakistani, and Shiite militia. In the long run, people will understand that these acts, though regrettable, were necessary to bring peace to the Middle East. It may seem cruel now, but in the end people will understand that the means, as in the case of 9-11, justifies the end... (Of course I'm being facetious here).

I hope that with the above example, that Americans have learned an important lesson from 9-11. That the same bullshit rationalization of the Hiroshima genocidce and Nagasaki genocide can be done by others as well as by Truman, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Westmoreland, W. Bush and other world class war criminals.

At the end of WWII, it was them (Japan) or us (the US). It's a god-damned tragedy it had to be them, but you better believe I'm glad it wasn't us.

Also, there is no such thing as a Palestinian people, and never has been. Israel, with hardly any "natural resources" is economically better off than all the petrocracies of the Middle East put together. Arab citizens of Israel have more rights than Arabs in Arab countries -- not to mention Jews in Arab countries! Oh, wait, there aren't any, because they all fled to Israel or elsewhere or were murdered.

Think about that before you spout off about "Zionists."

By the way, as much as you might wish it, the Jews will never be destroyed. So many of the most powerful nations in history -- from the Egyptians to the Romans to the Nazi Germans -- have tried. They are the ones who are destroyed, never to rise again. Yet the Jews endure, and will endure another 3,000 years.

That's true racial genocide you love and espouse I see. You've just made Hitler proud by advocating the extermination of the historic and most populous Semetic tribe, the Palestinians. Hitler is also happy with Israel since the Semites are exterminating each other, Zionists are exterminating Arabs, that's less work for Nazis like yourself. Thus more efforts can be expended to exterminate Slavs, Chinese, Africans, and other non-Aryans. Man are you sick.

Asia was invaded in the 1500's by European impeialists as was the Middle East, Africa, etc. earlier. The United States has no business in Asia today, in 1941, in 1945, and now. Any efforts to drive the U.S. and European imperialists out of Asia are justified. Japan lost to the United States due to Truman's atomic genocide. China, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, North Korea defeated the United States. Thwarting invasion and genocide is justifiable.

The United States should have learned it's lesson from it's defeat in it's 125 year long Asian imperialism campaign, as hundreds of thousands died on the battlefield and more died of wounds in the United States after military defeat. Now the Arabs and Persians are teaching the United States the same lesson.

When the United States ever learn. Freedom, liberty, and democracy are not negotiable to civilized people. The Arabs and Persians are defeating the United States militarily in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and Pakistan. It's the same lesson being taught to the United States all over again. Those poor U.S. soldiers. I feel bad for their families.

you are an ass. the pals have been around for 10,000 years. they are your peeps, brothers semites, all arabs & jews are semetic. israel is not recognized as legitimate country, any claims made in their name have no basis and are thus invalid. everyone loves jews here in nyc, annie lebovitz, seinfield, bloomberg, etc. it's the zionists that everyone hates, because they are fascist, akin to the nazis.

I don't know what their motives are, but I'm tired of George Bush wasting my tax dollars on every shithole country on the map.

The 32 Counties of Ireland wrote:...that's less work for Nazis like yourself.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!! Call the opposing party a Nazi. Never fails, my friend. You have officially won the argument. What next? Are you going to say he is racist against African-Americans, too?

Keep making fun of genocide, occupation, rape, murder. That suits the sickness of your beliefs.

The 32 Counties of Ireland wrote:

Keep making fun of genocide, occupation, rape, murder. That suits the sickness of your beliefs.

everyone does it. Join the party! Its america's turn now.

Oil is more important than people, we all know that.

Truman's a-bomb use backfired. Disorganized resistance movements used the A-bomb to mobilize and rally anti-European/American guerrilla forces. They rapidly crushed the Europeans after Japan withdrew. Never has there been a more rapid and humiliating defeat for an empire than there was from 1945 to the Vietnamese Army defeat of the U.S. in 1975. It was a rout. 1975 is celebrated by all free peoples worldwide as the most important defeat of U.S. imperialism in history. The rest is history. Or so we thought. When the U.S. is defeated in the Mid-East, we'll see another worldwide holiday !

What are my beliefs that you seem to know so well? All I did was point something out. The best way to win an argument anymore is to call the other person a Nazi or to bring out the race card. It never fails.

peeps, you waste hours and hours a day bullshitting your way though this board, convinced you are this super smart guy on so many topics, when I have yet to see you come up with a single decent post.

You most be a boring arrogant a-hole to know. man you are so full of shit.

There is no such thing as the so called "race card" nor "Nazi calling". Racists and Nazis use that excuse as an attempt to sluff off responsibility for their perverted views. People who use the term "race card" are racists, and people who use the term "Nazi calling" are Nazis. Apparently you are a Nazi and a Racist. What is the cause of your perversion ? Please explain.

The 32 Counties of Ireland wrote:

Talk about blaming others. Why pick on NK only. Israel has the bomb and commits mass genocide against Palestinians. The US committed two of the worst war crimes in all of human history, nuking Japan twice, yet pretends to itself at least be some sort of moral authority (the rest of the civilization thinks otherwise).

The US action against Japan actually saved lives.