That HS race was unbelievable for him and Forys. These guys closed so fast, and Centro in particular (:58, 2:00, 4:16) never showed any tightness or tying up. I think THAT night, he would've beaten any HS'er in history. Against the right competition (Pre 2-mile race being too fast), I think he would've hit 8:35, at worst. He ran it the way some top 2-milers relax in a dual meet, before putting down the hammer when needed.
Hard to speculate, because you can go fast, and then die hard.
I think that there was competition enough in that race...it was the deepest field in high school history! I think that he could go 2-3 seconds faster at best. Forys raced the hell out of him!
pshh... wrote:
I think that there was competition enough in that race...it was the deepest field in high school history! I think that he could go 2-3 seconds faster at best. Forys raced the hell out of him!
Obviously forys didn't race the hell out of him....running a 58 second last 400 in a 841 2mile shows he wasnt that taxed going into the last 400. It wasnt like forys took it out in 840 pace for the first 6-7 laps. they were at like 855 pace through 6 laps and running at barely under 9 pace if that before picking it up. Only the last 800 was run hard (and the first 400). Centro showed he can probably go very close to the record. 835ish would be his max i think. Forys also showed 844 is not his max....i give forys 841 maybe.
they ran the first mile in 4:25... its not like they were jogging you retard.
Had the race gone out any faster, I think it would have taken too much out of centrowitz's kick, and he wouldn't be closing nearly as quickly. 8:35 is not within his reach right now.
ttc wrote:
Against the right competition (Pre 2-mile race being too fast), I think he would've hit 8:35, at worst.
A typically retarded ttc premise. Especially considering the guy who had never broken 9:00 before. 6.5 seconds is not a few yards, dummy.
Speculative, but I'd say maybe 8:38-8:39. There is no way he would have closed in 2-flat off of a significantly quicker pace. He ran 8:41. It was an awesome race. I don't know what Nelson's splits were, but Pre ran a very similar negative split race in his 8:41. Both were 4:25-4:26 for the first mile. I'm not sure I'd give him beating any high schooler in history just off of what he did at NON. He'd have a shot, but so would the others to beat Centro.
He ran a perfectly split race based on the 51% pacing rule. At this time, he maxed out his performance. Any slower or faster first mile would have resulted in a slower overall time.
45 wrote:
ttc wrote:Against the right competition (Pre 2-mile race being too fast), I think he would've hit 8:35, at worst.
A typically retarded ttc premise. Especially considering the guy who had never broken 9:00 before. 6.5 seconds is not a few yards, dummy.
Not to disagree with you, but it was a full 2 miles, not 3200.
I don't think Centrowitz has that much more in him. In a race that is a little more evenly paced, he could probably crack 8:40, but I think 8:35 might be a tad out of reach. The fact that he ran his last 400 in 58 doesn't mean that he was holding anything back or that he had more in his tank... if they went out in 4:20 instead of 4:25, I bet he would have closed much closer to 4:20 than he did.