How important are those credentials to you? Could you have taped the meet without them? Could you tape the meet from outside the area without them?
If so, I say tape the damn meet, put the up the damn videos and tell the NCAA to stick its damn "credentials" up its damn ass.
The best way to go about this is not filming the meet from outside the gates and "sticking" it to the NCAA. It's for Trackshark and Flocasts (and any other aspiring videographer) to read up on intellectual property law.
carpe diem baby wrote:
How important are those credentials to you? Could you have taped the meet without them? Could you tape the meet from outside the area without them?
If so, I say tape the damn meet, put the up the damn videos and tell the NCAA to stick its damn "credentials" up its damn ass.
then he'd have a damn lawsuit from a damn big law firm that will cost a damn big amount of money that will eventually force him to close his damn website.
wrong wrote:
wrong. there no fee for any news media outlet. there were hundreds of outlets that were at sac st. none paid any 'fee' to the ncaa.
do people have difficulty with reading comprehension or something? once again, there is a big difference between showing highlights or clips from the meet and showing entire races. why is this a difficult concept to wrap your mind around?
The NCAA has never made a statement about \'complete\' races etc. so you are full of it. Can the fool at the NCAA causing this commotion. They let the TV stations do what they want. Stop singling out Trackshark and Flocasts.
KCUF OFF. One picture is not the same as another. Coverage differs. Video is an art. Plus the NCAA never said that. Your'e a troll.
TB wrote:
Furthermore, we were told to not even link to any NCAA Championship videos, such as anyone posting a message of our forums to a video from an NCAA meet in the past that's hosted by YouTube.
In my experience, you can link to anything you want, just as long as you aren't the one hosting the information. In other words, if you linked a Youtube file of the 2007 NCAA Championships, they (the NCAA) would have to go after Youtube, not you. Hence why southparkzone.com can't get shutdown, they just provide links to independent people who host entire South Park Episodes.
In other words, I wouldn't sweat what people link in your forums.
at least i know what 'troll' means.
someone who actually attended the meet can confirm this but, in the past, just like at nearly every other sporting event i've attended, the ncaa has made it quite clear either on the ticket or on a prominently posted sign at the entrance that spectators may take photos/videos/etc. for their own personal use but not for profit or publication. you have to have media credentials for that.
and, if you were credentialed, the rules for the dissemenitation of your video and/or photos would be relayed to you upon picking up your credential. i don't know many media people, though, who need to be reminded that they cannot post on the internet or play on TV a whole meet or game.
Summary. It's NCAA censorship of a few young fellas since TV, mags, papers, websites are granted creds w/o fees. It's not IP since the NCAA had released the rights to numerous news orgs. I think a little more prodding from the public will change this outrageous treatment of Trackshark and Flowcast because from my experience the NCAA is about the conferences and schools. They just have an old geezer in the way, and that can be easily remedied with early retirement or some other face-saving measure.
So trackshark should find a nice vantage point outside of the stadium and film from there if they can
Two key paragraphs from the back of the media credential issued at the NCAA Track & Field Championships:
"All media entities, observing NCAA championship competition recognize that any Representations my be used in connection with news coverage within a 72-hour period following the game and the Representations portion of each such showing will not exceed three (3) minutes in length; except as noted in the NCAA Footage Usage Policy found at
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All media entities (including message boards and blogs) shall not publicly display any Representations, including but not limited to audio descriptions, written descriptions, game logs, or play-by-play summaries of in-game action until after the completion of that competition or corresponding session that is relative to a particular championship. In-game updates on score and time remaining in competition may be publicly displayed by any media entity whether credentialed or not."
It's pretty straightforward what you can/can't do with your credential.
I'm not a lawyer or an intellectual property specialist, but post race interviews in the mixed zone that Flocasts & Trackshark did probably fall under the 3-minute rule...if it's outside the venue, that's a whole 'nother ball game!
TB. Get over it. Read the rules for your media credential. Track and Field News is the Best –
That's unreasonable in the internet age. These are our athletes that we babied and trained. Coaches and fans, and others are getting around this by uploading to non-U.S. video clip sites. The NCAA, Viacom, etc. has just signed it's own layoff notice. We will be seeing the likes of soon you at your new job at the Wal-Mart Supercenter.
...as long as football and the NCAA basketball tournament are the main sources of revenue for the NCAA, the NCAA, its member institutions, and its broadcast/internet partners will continue to protect their intellectual properties, which includes all championships that fall under the NCAA umbrella.
The NCAA is within their right to put those rules/guidelines on media credentials to protect those entities who have made a major financial investment. Remember that financial investment CBS & ESPN made gives the NCAA the money to stage these national championships, which includes athlete travel, lodging, meal money, etc.
If the member institutions want to break away from the NCAA and form a new organization for track & field, they certainly can (much like what they did when they formed the BCS in football, keeping in mind the major conferences also had the major bowl games to back them).
However, the bigger question is, is it financially feasible for the universities? Can you sell the collegiate track & field championships solo to corporate America, and give them the same value in terms of exposure as if they were part of a larger package, like the NCAA basketball tournament? Can universities travel more or less athletes to a national championship if they break away from the NCAA? More importantly, will it cost the universities more/less money in that scenario?
My guess is probably not--I don't think the corporate sponsors/networks/media/internet properties will want to bankroll a national collegiate track & field championship.
Track is just a small part of the big collegiate sports properties package.
Hilarious. When\'s the last time anyone at the NCAA office has been to a track meet. The 5k takes __ mintues. The 10K takes __ minutes. When\'s the last time they counted how long the Womens Pole Vault takes, they spend *so* much time prissing their hair and stuff. The NCAA is out of touch with reality. Thank Allah, Jesus, Chief Crazy Horse, Buddah, Geronimo, and Georgie Clarke we have offshore video servers. And did FC or TS ever get offered those stupid time restrictions or were they just rejected for being web geeks.