From a source at the meet- the 800 split in the paper was wrong and borchers ran a 1:48.0
People talk about the top high school runners breaking 4 every year and how many times has it happened? 4, once since the 60s. There are some very talented runners out there but it won't happen this year.
If anyone has a shot at it, you should be paying attention to the young Centrowitz... 4:04 by yourself is a pretty decent run.I still think it would take the absolute perfect race for him to do it, but I think Crntro Jr. is physically capable of it. Whether or not that perfect race will happen is the question. I'd give it about 10:1 odds.
Centrowitz, Forys, Borcher; in a perfect race, on the most perfect of days, maybe, maybe one of them could do it.
you let the odds of that scenario occuring be the measure of how much hype or pessimism you may have.
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I am not sure but I think Webb split a 4:00 in a DMR during his junior campaign which signaled to his coach that he was ready to break the barrier. I think he shut it down due to a minor injury that spring in the hope of doing something during his senior year. People talk like running 4:04 or the equivalent signifies that you are ready to go under. Sorry, but every second as you get closer to 4:00 is harder.
Borchers is legit, it will happen if he can get the right race. The kid has phenomenal foot speed that won't be matched.
4:05 equivalent in 93* heat by himself- Centro is right "there" in the right race. Unfortunately, there are very few "right" mile races in June.
Here in TN, we've got a rabbit set up for a 4:05-ish full HS mile a the Music City Distance Carnival in Nashville on Saturday. Or he could maybe run with the big boys in the men;s invitational race.
hopefully he does break 4 now because once he gets to penn state he'll be a bum.
No.
Borchers has run very well for 1500 before, won a national indoor title in a not-so-impressive time (when comparing to a possible sub-4 attempt), and now has an UNOFFICIAL good mark for an 800 split... but nothing has ever been shown as to how well he can run a true mile. By all means, I hope he can prove the nay-sayers wrong, but what has he ever shown beyond 1500m? Pretty much nothing, and certainly not more than others that came before him (most recently AJ Acosta and Jack Bolas).
And as for Centrowitz, he's run sub-4:05 for 1600m and has split 1:52.2 for 800, but that's a FAR cry from any sort of sub-4 indication. If he runs 4:02 or better, at the very least, and shows better footspeed somewhere along the way (no, his 1k times aren't good enough either), I'm not going to believe he's ready for sub-4 in high school either.
No one is going under 4:00 this year.
You are still annoying even on letsrun.
watchout wrote:
Borchers has run very well for 1500 before (a 4:03.8 equivelant), won a national indoor title,and a good mark for an 800 split 1:48 or :49. By all means, I hope he can prove the nay-sayers wrong.
Yes, he is going under 4:00 this year.
I fixed that for you. Your pessimist of the week award will arrive in the mail shortly.
WATCHOUTISGAY wrote:
You are still annoying even on letsrun.
lol, I'm glad I have a fan club!
and no, I don't believe that Borchers is ready to go under 4 for a mile yet. He's a low-end type guy, and has shown less endurance than guys like Barbosa or Bergman or Primm. Barbosa and Primm are comparable at 800, and Bergman is a bit slower (a full second) through 800, but they still all have quite a bit more upside based on longer results, and neither of them are going to touch 4 minutes... Borchers' 3:46 was crazy, without a doubt, and whatever this 800 split was is pretty impressive whether it was a 1:47 or 1:50. But he hasn't shown anything above 1500 that is all that impressive... so why would it be assumed he has a good shot to put his name in the record books where so many have failed? Others with that kind of footspeed and with the same lack of evidence of upper-end results couldn't do it... why is he different?
You need both parts of the equation. It's hard to predict him to drop 10+ seconds in the mile, just because last year he ran a 4:04 equivalent (yes, 3:46 -> 4:04y, not 4:01 or 4:02)
Trust, Borchers is ready. I saw the 1:48-1:49 at Piqua and he still had more. I've seen the kid run enough to know that he has not reached his potential on anything near it. I think it's more about him getting enough high caliber races in for it to happen. The competition in Ohio is just too weak and he will only get a few chances post season.
centro looked completely relaxed during that 4:04 1600, never broke form, never looked labored at all.
watchout wrote: But he hasn't shown anything above 1500 that is all that impressive... so why would it be assumed he has a good shot to put his name in the record books where so many have failed?
Yes because the mile is like....3000 meters further then the 1500....or 109. Running an impressive 1500 is good enough indication. You talk like they are much different events then they actually are. There is a slow down and it is a bit further, but for the most part they are the same event training wise and racing wise.
watchout wrote:
No.
Borchers has run very well for 1500 before...but nothing has ever been shown as to how well he can run a true mile.
I don't think Borchers will do it, but this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board.