What are your thoughts on Rudy Guliani and Ron Paul?

Yeah but the dude (Ron Paul) is just plain weird. We got on share of weirdies here in NYC, and I grew up in LA not far from Hollyweird. The dude acts like he belongs permanently aboard ship. If you know what I mean.

NYFD wrote:

Guliani is a Chickenhawk, he never served in the military, and yet wants to continue to throw away and sacrafice American kids in a lost war in the Middle east.

Ron Paul is just plain weird.

I'm a U.S.M.C. Vietnam veteran. I'm voting the veterans party, the democratic party, Obama for now, but maybe Hill.

Hey dumbshit, where did Hilary serve? Barrack?

I love the chickenshit liberals all over this thread trying to smear Giuliani. Did you even watch the debate? Even the moderator said to Ron Paul: "So you would take your marching orders from Al Qaeda?"

The libs will talk him up because he's the closest to what they like, and he would have absolutely no chance if he won the Republican nomination (which he won't, because we're not stupid asses like the left in this country).

Libs are scared that one of two people running on the right will win, because there are two people on the right who can beat Hil and Osama....err..Obama.

You dipshit. Obama and Hillary aren't warmongers. Giuliani want to sacrafice American kids for a lost cause, but he didn't fight, nor has any of his kids, and that's why he is a Chickenhawk. What are you ? are you a warmonger but didnlt serve ? How convenient isn't it. Letting someone else die for your phony patriotic act !

You dipshit. Obama and Hillary aren't warmongers. Giuliani want to sacrafice American kids for a lost cause, but he didn't fight, nor has any of his kids, and that's why he is a Chickenhawk. What are you ? are you a warmonger but didnlt serve ? How convenient isn't it. Letting someone else die for your phony patriotic act ![/quote]

I'm back and wouldn't you know it still is now.

Hey yall, I read the posts and read labeling and put downs. I'm very concerned. I'm sad and frustrated. I would be relieved if instead of labeling each other and putting each other down, we have an opportunity to ask each others point of view and thier particulair motivation for feeling that way.

Language, despite it's limitations is very powerful. It dictates how we think. If we are conditioned to respond to an opposing point of view with a reaction that is categorically negative, we will continue to butt heads and limit our own ability and opportunity to "think out of the box".

Perhaps there is some fun in calling someone a dick. "I hate that guy, he's a dick, I want that f***ing guy to suffer unimaginable pain. It will make me feel very good. I feel that way because he doesn't think like me. I don't know what he is really thinking but he's a(..fill in the blank)because he represents the (...fill in the blanks), so he must be flawed. The guy actually likes that lefty liberal. Those guys want to raise our taxes and make our society a Hollywood orgy fest. And that guy, what a creep, he represents the(... fill in the blank sect..). He is such a loser,low life, narcissistic, belligerent,ignorant,dumb ass, warmonger terrorist. I say we nuke the f*** out of those Middle Eastern terrorist mudha fukkas." 1. From the Tibetan Book of the Dead. "Hell realms" 450th edit pg. 450

Get my point, Hello, anyone want to try something novel. It's called thinking. Thinking, a rare and precious commodity. More precious than oil or gold. More precious than winning a lotto ticket. Thinking will put us on the moon, invent a cure for polio, invent airplanes, telephones, computers and may be one day find the cure for War.

What a waste of a cerebral cortex. Hey, I'm not immune, I write this in rebuke of my own conditioned, mindless thinking. I do realize and I am motivated to work on it. I like to train my ass off to win races, get PRs and you know improve. So too, thinking, I say THINKING my dear boys and girls. Habits are hard to break.

Can you break them? Anyone? Am I a f***ing weirdo? If you say yes, please know that it is in a good way. I actually want people to feel good. Only for selfish reasons. If you don't feel good, you'll spoil my party. I want people that come to my parties to have a good time.

Out.

The way I see it, we need to stop calling the candidates names and start looking at what they really stand for. These labels are too limiting, like Democrat said. Ron Paul is on the republican ticket, therefore, he is a republican, now lets see what makes him the best guy out there...

point 1) He has never voted contrary to what he now believes, and is the only one who does not fluctuate his opinion according to the public. He is the only one I know of who really seems to know what he believes. His steadfastness and ability to defend his position will earn him a lot of points.

point 2) He wants to get out of Iraq. What kind of American doesn't? I think he realizes fully why we went there, and why we are still there, and he knows that these kinds of wars can never be won.

point 3) He is an advocate of freedom. He does not push his beliefs on the people, but he knows what the government should truly be involved in. Now, that is a real republican.

point 4) He is original. He is going to change the way this country is run by switching back to the system our forefathers founded: the constitution. Won't that be nice.

Your posts were a bit weird, but overall nicely done.

Names of attributes which Ron Paul possesses are completely valid. The dude is wierd. I can't see having another southerner and another guy from the queerest state in the U.S. either. Ron Paul is the type of person you don't want to take a piss next to. Haven't we had enough from 12 years of Bush switch-hitters in office. I think Ron Paul would fit perfectly as a Democratic strategist, but not as a presidential party nominee. I'll vote for Hill or Obama. Least they at straight and not a southerner.

NYFD wrote:

Names of attributes which Ron Paul possesses are completely valid. The dude is wierd. I can't see having another southerner and another guy from the queerest state in the U.S. either. Ron Paul is the type of person you don't want to take a piss next to. Haven't we had enough from 12 years of Bush switch-hitters in office. I think Ron Paul would fit perfectly as a Democratic strategist, but not as a presidential party nominee. I'll vote for Hill or Obama. Least they at straight and not a southerner.

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Are you concerned about people from the South's integrity, sense of judgment? I'm not exactly sure what you have concerns about? Are you are concerned that GW was from Texas and he has set a bad precedent as president. Are you concerned that Ron Paul may have similar attributes as him and the fact that he doesn't speak the "normal" political talk, that his credibility may be in question? Even though he is weird or someone you wouldn't want to take a piss next to, he may be fit to find solutions for the Democratic Party but not be able to be the nation's leader?

Now I'm trying to understand where you are going with this. I'm sure you have some concern that I may not be articulating. Have you had bad experiences with folks from Texas or any other Southern state? I mean have you personally had many bad experiences with these folks?

As far as the Piss thing, I have to say I'm deeply uncomfortable taking a piss next to anyone. In fact, I usually take the urinal that is furthest from the pisser that was ahead of me in line. I just don't want him to make a mistake and pee on my shoe or something. I'll take a dirty urinal rather than have that happen.

I don't mind homosexuals. I have more than one relative that is open, I live in an area with many open gays, I work with them, even the bar I go to has gays. They're funny and nice and just plain regular folks. This is New York god damn it ;-) However, there's two places I don't want any gays, 1) around my cock, and 2) in the presidency of the United States. As far as Southerners, their like Mormons, mentally wacked and brainwashed with a Jesus crutch. I like Jesus too, but I don't use Jesus as an excuse for picking my nose in public. They have the right to be that way, and I ain't saying I'm better, but I ain't voting for no southerner because it's also a no vote for the KKK.

Isnt it some of these rediculous opinions and beliefs that make these political whores say and do the things they do. I think some people should just stay home on election day.

NYFD wrote:

I don't mind homosexuals. I have more than one relative that is open, I live in an area with many open gays, I work with them, even the bar I go to has gays. They're funny and nice and just plain regular folks. This is New York god damn it ;-) However, there's two places I don't want any gays, 1) around my cock, and 2) in the presidency of the United States. As far as Southerners, their like Mormons, mentally wacked and brainwashed with a Jesus crutch. I like Jesus too, but I don't use Jesus as an excuse for picking my nose in public. They have the right to be that way, and I ain't saying I'm better, but I ain't voting for no southerner because it's also a no vote for the KKK.

And you probably think you're open-minded, enlightened, and tolerant, too.

NYFD wrote:

Names of attributes which Ron Paul possesses are completely valid...I think Ron Paul would fit perfectly as a Democratic strategist, but not as a presidential party nominee. I'll vote for Hill or Obama. Least they at straight and not a southerner.

You're the same dumbass who probably thought it was good to vote for HWB because he seemed like the kind of guy you could have a beer. Did anyone end up having a beer with Bush? Just checking. Paul is the best candidate. It is our responsibility as Americans to vote for the best candidate. It is our responsibility to vote for Ron Paul.

Meanwhile, you should probably go try to rescue some rocks drowning in the river.

flashback wrote:

Thus Giuliani is blaming an old aide turned adversary Jerry Hauer, the city's first director of the Office of Emergency Management, for the much-criticized decision to locate the emergency command center at 7 World Trade Center instead of a site in Brooklyn. After terrorists flew planes into the Twin Towers, 7 WTC burned and collapsed, and the 23rd-floor command center was rendered useless.

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I've never understood this line of attack for smearing Rudy. After 9/11, no phones were working, you couldn't drive anywhere, it was a total mess. Why would you have a command center in Brooklyn? It is across the river, right? How could you get any reliable information there?

Have I offended you Texan gays ? I don't dislike HWB, I just think Cheney and HWB should have stopped their affair before they got little W involved in their backroom homosexual encounters. The world would be much better off if they obeyed the laws of decency. I'll have to skip on Ron Paul, nice that he's a vet, but he was a doctor, not a grunt, plus he is a Southerner and a homosexual. Jesus is my friend, but Jesus is not a excuse for southern racissm, criminal activity, and general meanness. Ron Paul can be my daughter's OB/GYN, but with his attitude, not the president.

The only Republican with a chance is Huckabee. He is folksy, easy to listen to, has some damn good ideas, and can connect with the religious conservatives.

McCain's campaign is dead in the water. His time is past. Paul is interesting but will never even sniff the nomination. If he got 2-3% it would be a success. Romney is too polished and too Mormon (sorry). Rudy is too liberal for today's Republican party.

I'll never vote for Huckabee. He's a spoiled brat, a war hawk, and a southerner. I don't trust those people who pervert the Bible using Biblical code words which they substitute for KKK terms. Also Huckabee is a Chickenhawk, who wimped out of the miltary. I don't mind if the candidate is anti-war, or pro-war and a veteran, that's the American way, free speech. But I've had enough of these guys who make John Wayne speeches about Iraq and Bin Ladin, and then when you look at their resumes, you find the guy was a draft dodger, or received 5 college deferments, or had his daddy get him into the national guard protecting the Mexican border from Viet-Cong attacks.

Stop feeding the troll.

I don't think I could vote for Huckabee either, as his social positions are far removed from mine, but I see him as the only candidate who could beat Hillary or Obama.

Huckabee is 52 years old (born 1955). At the height of the VietNam war (say, 1968), Huckabee was only 13. Even at age 19, 1974, too late to have served in VietNam. He may very well be a chickenhawk, but he couldn't have served, he was too young.

Fred 08 wrote:

I've never understood this line of attack for smearing Rudy. After 9/11, no phones were working, you couldn't drive anywhere, it was a total mess. Why would you have a command center in Brooklyn? It is across the river, right? How could you get any reliable information there?

Certain phone circuits in lower Manhattan were out of commmission because of fire damage near the WTC site. Phones in Brooklyn worked fine. The reason you couldn't drive is that roads were reserved for emergency vehicles. As is demonstrated whenever there's a subway strike, Downtown Brooklyn is readily walkable from lower Manhattan. Not as accessible as being a few blocks away, but the whole point is to have a substitute location to conduct municipal business in case the civic center is rendered unusable.

And I think what people really object to about Giuliani's stance is that he tried to blame his subordinates for the decision to locate the bunker on the 23rd floor of 7WTC, when in fact they recommended something different, and he overruled them.