VA Tech Spokesperson Eating His Words Now!

I love peeps wrote:

Had one person in Norris had a gun, this could have been almost completely different.

Or, it might have turned out the same. Or, perhaps someone else dies in the crossfire between the shooter and the person shooting back.

Or...

Or...

gv10k wrote:

Neb wrote:

Typical for the gun nuts to start politicizing this while the bodies are still warm.

I bet gv10k gets his first woody in years thinking about what the NRA is going to do with this.

Right, assf***, I was "starting to politicize this." As if you couldn't have turned on any mass media outlet in America this evening and heard commentators already calling for stricter gun laws. Because yeah, if this mass-murderer would have known that there were another couple of laws keeping him from carrying his Glocks, that clearly would have made him think twice about shooting 32 people.

Go back to moveon.org and stop polluting letsrun.

Well I've been in a few countries where almost everyone is armed and it wasn't a very safe environment at all. In fact it was violent and extremely dangerous. The logic that arming evryone makes society safer is fallacious. It doesn't.

After the shootings in Tasmania in 1996, Australia significantly toughened gun laws. Gun related violence has dropped substantially in the past ten years as a result.

I'm no screaming liberal. And of course, if I were in that classroom yesterday I would have liked to have been armed and save the day. But taking the leap from that scenario to a public policy position that everyone should be armed is ridiculous. How many routine bar fights would be homicides if the fighters were packing? How many road rage incidents would be homicides if the drivers were packing? People behave irrationally when they get pissed. You just don't want them to have access to a gun at that moment.

And before someone responds with false figures...

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

there have been many times that I am glad that I didnt have a gun. i may have used it and regreted it.

putting guns in everyones hands will triple the number of gun fatalities.

my sons history teacher once shot his gun accidently in class. he's a pro-gun activist. as well as a rocket scientist with a gun.

lets not get stuck on stupid. giving everyone a gun is stupid.

the "ass hole" comes out in ass holes when they strap a gun on their hip. everyone knows a guy like that.

Thirty years ago we had more guns available than now. Everyone was a deer hunter, every family had guns laying around. About 15 years ago , in police work, the calls started coming in. A backlog of calls from kids 8 to about 11yrs. They wanted their parents arrested, teachers had advised kids that parents can't put you in your room, can't yell at you. Unlawful detention and child abuse. From there it started, kids are victims, if their IT in game of tag...parents rush down as this hurts their feelings. Can't post names of times in fun run...kids are victimized this is not warm and fuzzy. Pretty soon it was and is everything. Kids 12 years ago were told their victims if they are called fat, skinny and everything is bully crap. Kids began thinking they had the right to march on the White house if someone called them ugly. Suffice it to say youth feels that if ANYTHING on earth is negative towards them they are a VICTIM. They are not going to take it. We had guns, we had real bullies...who eventually became our best friends. Why did we not go out 30 years ago taking our parents guns. This is the arena I believe that has brought our youth to pulling this crap. Not guns for Gods sake.

Yea - it was much better when dad's could beat the crap out of their kids

Didn't see kids wandering into playgrounds and shooting the place up though, did you?

The worst thing we can do as a country is to make this political. This is not a political occurrence, it was a deranged sick person who did a terrible thing. Yes, maybe something could have been done, but bottom line, how does a)giving everyone a gun or b)taking away everyones' guns prevent this from happening in the future? A majority of gun-related crimes wouldn't be prevented by better "gun control" because there is no such thing. Regardless of the laws, if you -really- want a gun, you can get one and use it. I am against greater gun control, and I am against throwing out gun control.

I do wonder though, how it was that a foreign national, a green carder, can buy a gun so easily? You would think that after 9/11, the government would have put a stop on stuff like that.

I think it's clear that violent movies, music and video games are actually the cause of this.

When everyone has guns, that's called war. Why are some of you so hell bent on going to war?

neb wrote:

Yea - it was much better when dad's could beat the crap out of their kids

"dads"

Enough already... wrote:I do wonder though, how it was that a foreign national, a green carder, can buy a gun so easily? You would think that after 9/11, the government would have put a stop on stuff like that.

Legal permanent resident aliens are allowed to purchase firearms. However, resident aliens must supply additional documentation concerning their residency.

News reports state that the serial numbers on these guns were filed off. That indicates to me that they may have obtained in less-than-legal transactions. However, it is possible they were obtained legally and he filed off the numbers himself after purchasing them for reasons that would only be known to him.

For those of you that have never seen one, here is an application to purchase a firearm, which is subject to a background check for verification:

This particular one is for Minnesota (the fastest one I could find). While there are some state idiosyncracies, the vast majority of information is required by federal law. Residency and citizenship information is around paragaph 16 or so.

Zat0pek wrote:For those of you that have never seen one, here is an application to purchase a firearm, which is subject to a background check for verification:

http://www.dps.state.mn.us/bca/Forms...FirearmApp.pdf

This particular one is for Minnesota (the fastest one I could find). While there are some state idiosyncracies, the vast majority of information is required by federal law. Residency and citizenship information is around paragaph 16 or so.

thanks for that. i had not seen one. i'm surprised it is as comprehensive as it is; not what i thought at all.

As long as he isn't eating at the Y

or where deena or meb ate before there marathon meltdowns.

Holy Judas Priest and Rob Halford, a well-thought out, cogent, lucid and CORRECT post from "I love peeps"!

Hell is currently freezing over. Peeps, you must be an impersonator right? Either that or you were putting us on with your first 5000 posts and nobody got the joke.

For the poster who was stating that we need to limit Chinese immigration, it's been established that the perp was S. Korean. That's right, he was an international student from out peace-loving, economy-car producing friends in Seoul. ANYBODY from ANYWHERE can go nuts and start shooting people, and if citizens who've gone through all the background checks are packing (does anyone really think your typical wacked-out frat-boy will have a gun?), one of them is likely to shoot down one of these nuts and cut their killing spree short the next time.

Mandingo, hey, I don't own a gun either. At some point I'd like to get one though, especially as I'm getting ready to return to HS coaching. I think teachers, coaches, profs etc. should be encouraged to get a CCW permit and to become proficient in handgun use. These horrible incidents may be few and far between, but the next one could be prevented or interrupted by a teacher packing heat.

good job troll III, good work. thank you for your meaningful contribution.

Well - good job making it a whole paragraph before you did "the worst thing a country could do". Just for the record - I started posting on this thread because of the first post. They guy seemed to relishing in the fact that this awful act somehow proved him right. Now that's sick.

I was going to respond, but decided you must be trolling and won't waste my time. God help us if people like you actually exist.

PS: The shooter had been a US resident since 1992.

Jack speaks wrote:

A recent poll conducted by the National Association of Chiefs of Police indicated that almost 64 percent of police commanders and sheriffs favor a law allowing private citizens to carry concealed firearms for protection. Almost 73 percent said that citizens should not be restricted from purchasing more than one weapon, and 96 percent say they believe criminals obtain firearms from illegal sources.

Any figures coming from the NRA are completely worthless. You think they might be just a little biased?

Until recently I considered myself fairly neutral on gun control, i.e. I didn't care. However I spent a few minutes thinking about the issue, looked at a few non-biased statistics, realized that there's a HUGE amount of money being spent by anti-gun control lobbyists, and formulated my own opinion.

Truthiness wrote:looked at a few non-biased statistics, realized that there's a HUGE amount of money being spent by anti-gun control lobbyists, and formulated my own opinion.

Let's see your "non-biased" statistics?