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17 years ago 04/03/2007 2:54pm EDT

What the hell, what a suprise, its knida funny that the newspaper that accused him was from french source, the same guys that bash any good thing that athletes do just because all they have in their country is a soccer team. They did this to lance, Floyd, and a host of other amazing athletes. Thorpe is one of the greatest athletes of all time, both in and out of the pool, to smear his name shows utter lack of sportsmanship, and respect for sport. Hey french press, why dont you stop being jealous, stop the smearing, and notice that it has been awhile since france has fielded anything decent in sports other then worthless soccer in a long time. Oh and by the way, dont tel me that french athletes arent hitting the syringe every five minutes either!

17 years ago 04/03/2007 3:02pm EDT

re: cpagett

Floyd tested positive.

17 years ago 04/03/2007 3:46pm EDT

re: Average_Joe

So did Thorpe. But, apparently, if the French mention this fact, you get a free pass.

17 years ago 04/03/2007 4:28pm EDT

re: Ol Grumpus

Ol Grumpus wrote:
So did Thorpe. But, apparently, if the French mention this fact, you get a free pass.

Thorpe hasn't tested positive, it's an abnormal sample. All drug agencies will say that's a world apart from a positive. No artifical synthetic testosterone found in his system (conveniently left off the home page in it's mis-reporting), unlike Landis. From what I gather he was barely over the 4:1 (about 4.5:1) TE ratio, unlike Landis, who was 11:1. The ratio used to be 6:1. Stupid change because on a given day you or I can go over 4. Heaps of slightly unusual results come up between 4-6:1 and are thrown out because those finding aren't uncommon and usually there's good explanation. For women it can be simply ingeedients found in the conraceptive pill, or it can be simply medication. At the time of testing Thorpe had a broken hand and mono. Medication and illness can really vary those reading quite alot. 2 other tests that month found nothing ususual. Usually in cause of small abnormals in naturally occuring cases (not synthetic)the athlete is asked for an explanation, which there usually is one being a common reading and is usually accepted. If it's not then you charged with a doping violation.

17 years ago 04/03/2007 4:47pm EDT

re: 10 lapper

Listen, I understand that the process hasn't concluded and agree that these results shouldn't be leaked, but nevertheless these were positive tests. There may be an innocent explanation for the result, but an abnormally high T/E ratio is, by definition, a positive test.

17 years ago 04/03/2007 6:18pm EDT

re: Ol Grumpus

Ol Grumpus wrote:
Listen, I understand that the process hasn't concluded and agree that these results shouldn't be leaked, but nevertheless these were positive tests. There may be an innocent explanation for the result, but an abnormally high T/E ratio is, by definition, a positive test.

Actually your wrong on that.

The T/E ratio alone cannot be used to "prove" doping. It has to be used in conjunction with other tests with the IRMS test or longitudinal data.

WADA's own stats show that 99% of all t/e ratios between 4 and 6 to 1 are not dopers. 75% are not dopers at 10 to 1. Only when you get to 15 to 1 does the number of dopers reach 50/50.

So, a t/e ratio of 6 to 1 alone means he has about a 1% chance of being a doper.

They need more.

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