So, after having gone through many a pair of lined shorts, and ultimately ending up cutting out every one of the liners, I still haven't figured out what the point is! I've heard that guys like to run sans undies and just let the liner provide the support, but that still doesn't explain why they put 'em in girls' shorts. Even though I wear underwear under the liner, they get so smelly that after a few wears, even detergent can't get the smell out! (I know it's gross, but what other board could I say that on?) And after 15 or so washes, the elastic under the legs starts to chafe like crazy. I took off a pair of the Nike tempo track shorts (which, besides the liner, are wonderful) after a summer half marathon and the sides of the liner were soaked with blood from the chaffing! So, do I just have crazy sensitive skin, or does anyone else have the problem with the chaffing? Are there any women out there who actually *like* the liners? And why is it so difficult to find a pair of good shorts that don't come pre-packaged with this nonsensical accessory? Hmph. *end of rant…for now*