Liners - what's the point?

it's so that when you shit your pants it doesnt all just run down your legs.

LOL :-D

get some bodyglide or something to help with the chaffing

as for running (split) shorts with no liner...can't help ya there. you could always switch to those fitted 'boy shorts' to help cut down on friction.

i never wear underwear with mine, and i don't have chafing issues with the liners...that said, i am VERY particular about the type of liners in my shorts. i only buy shorts with the really soft microfiber liners.

The point is that if they make all shorts with liners, they don't have to make two types. Fewer varieties --> lower manufacturing costs.

I'm not gonna tell you which shorts to wear or explain why they make 'em like they make 'em. But if you want all the odor out of your synthetic running clothes, don't use your regular detergent, use one called Sport Wash. It works great.

And I'm a dude, but I do sometimes get leg chafing from the liner. One poster mentioned Body Glide, which works but gets expensive. Cheaper and also effective for leg chafing: a dab of olive oil.

hehe, Vagisil work as a nice chafe-prevention? ;-) Believe me though, after catching a whiff of my fiance's shorts after a workout, guys smell even worse! I'll have to give laundry answerman's detergent a try....at least address half the problem!

It's the underwear that actually gives me the chaffing. I wear shorts with a liner & freeball it. Much more comfortable. They only stink if you run multiple times in them without washing. Just wash them more often.

Wait-- so you're wearing underwear along with the liner?! The liner is there so you don't have to wear underwear! Obviously you're going to be hotter and sweatier down there if you wear underwear along with the liner, which would cause friction. The liner fits loosely and is 'airy', so if you don't wear underwear you'll stay dry and have less/no friction.

I think the problem is not the liner but the fact that you wear underwear 'with' the liner.

I've also heard that a pre-soak in vinegar will kill the bacteria that cause the odor (haven't tried).

Ahah! You may be on to something...

You know, this is a basic microbiology concept. Bacteria thrives in a warm, moist, dark environment. I promise you if you cut out wearing underwear, you are going to create a less conducive environment for bacterial growth (and the smell that goes along with it). The liner is there to prevent any chafing, while also allowing for a dry environment. You will be more comfortable too.

Do you guys really run without underwear?

Those liners are not supportive enough for me.

I still don't understand why they don't make them more snug, most of the time they are so loose my ass hangs out. Are they making them for big fat men or runners...?

I have taken to wearing those man bikini briefs under my shorts.

I'm a woman, so can't help 'ya there.

I think i'd feel a little naughty running without undies....would you call that, pulling a Britney? Bet the breeze is nice though! LOL

be naughty, chafe less.

seriously, unless it's "that time" and i just feel more comfortable with undies, i definitely go without. i always figured that's why they put the liners in the shorts to begin with.

Haha, ok, so my plan is to work some mad overtime and save up the mulah to buy enough shorts so that I can run panty-free in the spring time and not have to wear a pair twice without washing (because that's too gross, even for me!) I'm really looking forward to this now....especially on the hotter days :-D

Mad overtime? You don't really need super-expensive running shorts. Well, I dunno about you specifically, but I and most of us don't. Buy cheaper brands, buy at clearance sales, buy at Marshalls or TJ Maxx or Sierra Trading Post, whatever. But don't pay like $30 for a pair of damn shorts!

Ope, forgot you cut out the liners. I don't know how breezy your shorts are-- are they splits? If they are NOT splits, you'd be ok. If they're splits, well...:D I have several pairs of Soffe nylom shorts that are notched ($7/pair, like the chearleaders wear)-- they are unlined and I have no problems with going commando. If none of your shorts have liners, you should find some cheapo lined/unlined shorts for daily runs (try Eastbay brand or Target or the Soffe shorts I mentioned) and then find nicer ones for race day.