I've received two complaints this week from people who haven't been paid either by races or agents after a reasonable amount of time (in one of these case I thinks its been years). I'm looking for more people who are being cheated out of their own money to see how widespread this problem is and to help you get your money back. Please email me if you fall in this category.
My email is above.
Does, "we aren't having an awards ceremony, your prize is in the mail" count?
Got that one following an 11:45 5K.
Apparently the student bar association isn't that good at marshalling on the course they made the map for themselves. Had we (read: I) been routed correctly it would have been close enough.
I know Moses Waweru has been shafted after winning races in Minnesota. He's always complaning to me about not getting money from TSL races such as the Human Race (2005) held in St. Paul in March and the Hennepin Lake Classic
(2005) held during the summer.
No American, outside of maybe Khannouchi and Lagat, needs an agent. If you lie down with scum then you might get what you ask for.
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No American, outside of maybe Khannouchi and Lagat, needs an agent. If you lie down with scum then you might get what you ask for.
where'd you place your brain?
It's kind of ancient history now, but talk to Lemay about his experience at Shelter Island ('99) or anyone who ran the first couple Hartford Marathons. There's also the bait and switch technique of not telling you that you need a USATF card to collect until after you win prize money. This is at races that have no USATF certification or sanction and won't take a SS# in lieu and don't even know what a DPL is. In my experience, it's rampant.
The post title should read "Did a race or agent fail to pay you" The way it reads now sounds like only slow people who have never made any money at a race or been good enough to have an agent should read the post.
Great thread though. I bet it happens alot. I have placed at races where you needed a tac or USATF number to take the prize.
should be titled "what Devine Racing event have you done...when did they "promise" to pay"
I know whey STILL haven't paid many elites...hence the lousy field for Vegas this year.
It is not unusual for payments from meets (especially in Europe) to take 6-9 months or longer.
check out ray flynns runnersworld chat today. doesnt speak well of LA marathon
From the other side of the coin, I've really had nothing but good experiences with athletes getting paid. Crazy 8's beat me out of $300 for a travel reimbursement once but I'm pretty sure that's the only time I've ever had any trouble. New York, Twin Cities, Bob's Big Boy, Crim, The Wheeling half-marathon, Falmouth and local races like the various Asbury Park races, the Jersey Shore Series and the 5K out in Denvile N.J. have always been courteous, friendly and true-to-word with my athletes.
jackass & I had to wait nearly 6 mos a few years ago from the bermuda mile, though they did have a positive drug test....in the marathon, not sure why that should have affected the mile. to be fair, they always paid no sooner than 3mos down the road. on the flip side, as drew said, NYRR have always been fast and generous w/ travel, Charlie Breagy at CVS 5k sends out checks within a week, bill sumner at Cal Coast gives checks on the day, as did the Naples half this last weekend. when senior bowl was still going, vic knight would send out checks as soon as he could, even with doping controls. so many races seem to use controls as an excuse to delay payment (weeks after they already have the test results). oh, and falmouth is always great.
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