what does that have to do with anything?
what does that have to do with anything?
Hook and Lateral: + 20 points
Halfback Pass: + 10 points
Statue of Liberty: + 15 points
QB having a tribal tatoo and a Zorro rip-off tatoo: - 50 points
i'll take a shot at myself,
spelling tattoo wrong, twice: - 60 points
rage wrote:
I like how you say you cant use the X beat Y and Y beat Z logic and then you use the same logic literally one sentence later...and all I was saying is that Boise State would have a shot a shot a shot against OSU and they deserved at least a shot
Oklahoma had 2 losses in the regular season a controversial 1 point loss to Oregon...and of course the loss (where I guess they got it handed to them? 28-10 after a defensive fumble return for a touchdown) to texas
also I'm not saying you cant have an opinion if you like the miami OSU game better thats terrific..just dont tell other people they're wrong for having their own opinions on the BSU OU game being better
all in all you failed to convince me that BSU shouldn't/wouldn't have a shot at OSU
Dude, I used that same logic to show how stupid it sounds, not to prove a point.
The Boise State-Oklahoma game was exciting, and especially the ending, but the ONLY reason people are hyping it as one of the best games ever is because Boise State (HUGE underdog) beat a traditional power. The last 6 minutes were exciting, and the trick plays were cool, but to call it one of the best games ever is simply incorrect -- not a matter of opinion...simply incorrect. Great games have to have conference or national titles on the line -- this game had neither...AND it was boring for most of the game as Boise State had a big lead.
namecaller wrote:
Flagpole Willy wrote:Dude, you can't use the x beat y and y beat z so x is better than z thing. It just doesn't work. It can work against you too. Oklahoma got it handed to them by Texas, and Ohio State KILLED Texas, so Ohio State should then KILL Oklahoma istead of having to get a two-point conversion in overtime.
To answer your question, Oklahoma wasn't that good this season because they lost 3 games. No major college football team is all that good if they lose 3 games. Period.
The Boise State win was exciting. I was rooting for them. But, it can't be compared to that OSU-Miami game. The latter was a National Championship game which went in to triple overtime. Also, that game was close the whole game, unlike the former. Boise State-Oklahoma was a great game, but shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath with the OSU-Miami game unless it's to say that "the Boise State-Oklahoma game was no where near as good as the OSU-Miami game".
You're right that Boise State couldn't have done more. Too bad for them. Those kids should have gotten scholarships at a BCS conference school if they wanted to play for the national title. It's fair that they're not in that game.
You're right Flagpole - nothing is ever remotely as good as OSU... your coaches, games, football teams, basketball teams....
How come every time someone brings something up sports related, whether it be a great game or a great coach, you always have to submit that OSU's coach or game or whatever is better. And you don't do it in a humorous, joking manner - you're always very serious and matter of fact about these things. These arguments are usually very subjective - arguing which game was "better" or which coach is "better" or which conference is "better." You refuse to see things from a perspective other than the one you create, and even when you're wrong, you find a way to "bend" your argument so that it appears that was your position the entire time. You're such a douche bag. I can't stand reading your posts. You're such a condescending, arrogant, passive aggressive prick. Seriously, I think you have some sort of personality disorder. I'm trying to help you out here, Willy. People such as you don't often realize how they are percieved, so I am telling you.
And I agree that BSU shouldn't get a shot at the national championship, but I'm not going to pass it off as some irrefutable truth, like you.
Peace out, brotha.
Dude, you've got me all wrong.
1) First of all, I DO NOT just say Ohio State is the greatest at everything. That's BS. In fact, if you look at earlier football threads THIS SEASON, it was I who was talking Dauby down from his lofty pearch regarding The Buckeyes. He stated they could never lose, and my posts were filled with reality. Turns out he was right (at least to this point), but still, I had a realistic attitude about it all. They could have realistically lost 2 games during the regular season...they just didn't.
2) It's not my fault that MOST EXPERTS have called that OSU-Miami game the greatest college football game ever. The game was for the national title, it was close the whole way, there were amazing plays during it, it went into TRIPLE overtime, and the underdog won. The Boise State-Oklahoma game had NONE of that except that the underdog won and there were some amazing plays. That Boise State-Oklahoma game was exciting, but no way was it one of the best games ever -- not enough was on the line. NOTHING compares to that OSU-Miami game, and it's not just me who thinks so. I heard it referenced in just about every bowl game I watched this year. You shouldn't have to be a Buckeye fan to understand how amazing that game was -- TRIPLE overtime to determine the national champion? How can a NON-championship game that DOESN'T go into triple overtime that includes a team who ends the season with 3 losses compete with that?
3) Find me a thread where I don't admit I was wrong and I "bend" my argument so that I wasn't wrong. Dude, you're wrong here. I admit all the time that I was wrong.
4) So, you're saying I have a personality disorder because on ocassion I point out that The Buckeyes are the best? I don't do that every year, because The Buckeyes aren't the best every year. They are this year though -- at least until now...12-0 against Big Boy Football teams (unlike Boise State's 12-0). Now, if the Buckeyes lose to Florida (and they could), then I'll be the first to admit they aren't the best team.
5) Regarding passive aggressive -- I'm not sure you know what that means or how I could possibly be passive aggressive on a message board. An example of passive aggressive behavior is when a person allows their significant other to beat them without protecting themselves in the hopes that when it's over the beater will feel extra bad about it. Nothing about what I do here suggests that type of behavior at all. In fact, the opposite is true. If you strongly disagree with me (and I feel passionately that you're wrong) you'll get an earful from me (well, figuratively speaking). Nothing passive aggressive about that at all.
6) You mentioned the Buckeye basketball team as something I "always" say is great. Actually, I've never said one word about them until this year, and this year they at least have to be in the conversation. They have a center who would have been the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft had he decided not to enter college. They have a back court that many call the best in college basketball. They were briefly ranked No. 1 earlier in the season and still are No. 6. They may not win the NCAA tournament this year, but they have a shot -- all basketball experts say so, and Thad Matta has been called the next great young coach, something he's backed up so far with decent teams at Butler, Xavier and now Ohio State.
7) So, disagree with me if you want, but when you have to resort to namecalling, then that means you can't form a credible argument. Always and without fail.
Try again, and bring it better next time.
Willy, why ruin a good thread by bringing your stupid shit on here? This thread had nothing to do with Ohio State until YOU included them.
Hardly anyone outside of central Ohio would consider the Miami/OSU game one of the greatest ever. How could a game that was decided on a such a phantom pass interference call be a classic?
If you can't add something about the Boise State/Oklahoma game, then just stay off the damn thread!
Most people who have followed Boise State the last few years (including me) considered them the favorite in the game, not the underdog. They beat five bowl-bound teams this year, and those five teams then went 4-1 in their respective bowls. They are definitely one of the five best teams in the country. People who only look at the major conferences continue to miss very good teams.
Rick Rubin wrote:
Willy, why ruin a good thread by bringing your stupid shit on here? This thread had nothing to do with Ohio State until YOU included them.
Hardly anyone outside of central Ohio would consider the Miami/OSU game one of the greatest ever. How could a game that was decided on a such a phantom pass interference call be a classic?
If you can't add something about the Boise State/Oklahoma game, then just stay off the damn thread!
1) Actually rippy cripple mention OSU before I did.
2) You're crazy if you think no one else has called it that. Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, ESPN...just about every NATIONAL news reporting agency called that game the greatest ever, including Keith Jackson who called that game and has called many many others.
3) I just added a little reality. Someone said it was the best ever. It wasn't. The Boise State-Oklahoma game was exciting (made more so because it was Boise State in the game -- people wouldn't be saying this was the greatest game if it were Texas that just one that way over Oklahoma, but the opponents do add to the drama, so it's fair it is more exciting because it was Boise State), but with no title implications, it can't be considered as good as a National Title game, AND that OSU-Miami game was closer throughout and had more overtimes. No way you can argue against that -- not effectively anyway.
Carnivore 69 wrote:
They are definitely one of the five best teams in the country.
Agreed.
Flagpole Willy, I rarely disagree with you, but you are way off in your assessment of Oklahoma as "not that good of a team". If Florida loses to Ohio State are they not that good of a team? Is USC not that good of a team? What about Michigan?
The reason I ask these questions is because I understand that bad calls do happen, rarely ever do you see a bad call change a team's season as much as the call against Oregon changed Oklahoma's. Had the right call been made they would have been a 1 loss team and would have had just as much of a right to play Ohio State as Florida, Michigan, or USC. I am no Sooner fan, but you can't disagree with this. Oklahoma was a very good team this year, and Boise State just beat a very good team. Sure they didn't beat Ohio State, but there should be no doubt that they could at least play with them (though the line would likely give them about 13-14 points, and rightly so).
An interesting thing happens with these bowl games, when the pairings are announced there is always some commotion, then it dies down. When Oklahoma was announced to play BSU, many people wondered what would have happened had the refs made the right call. How quickly do people forget these things? Also, don't give me any bullshit about how they should have just blown Oregon out, if that is the case then maybe Florida shouldn't have needed a missed FG to beat South Carolina.
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2) You're crazy if you think no one else has called it that. Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, ESPN...just about every NATIONAL news reporting agency called that game the greatest ever, including Keith Jackson who called that game and has called many many others.
I have never seen where any of "Authorities" you mention above would call that game the best (outside of some Commemorative OSU Champions Issue or something). Sure it was an exciting game but it was marred by a blown call that should have won the game for Miami - any game with serious controversy cannot ever be considered the best....
That being said, I really don't think that the BSU game will be the best ever - it is surely the best ending ever.
Flagpole Willy is just in love with OSU and is blind to the world outside of OSU and the Big 10 (what a sh*tty life that must be). Dude, OSU has definitely turned their football program around and have rejoined the ranks of the college elite but it is the the mecca of college football. I do a trip every year to see a few college football games and have been to most of the major stadiums in college football and can tell you this - OSU home games are great and it is definitely a top-10 venue but it cannot compare to the atmosphere @ LSU, PSU, TX A&M, UF, FSU, or the loudest place I have ever seen a game - Autzen Stadium @ U of Oregon - for a smaller stadium, it is absolutely crazy - not so great tailgate scene, but once inside the stadium - it is loud!....
You're absolutely right that the gap between the "mid-majors" and the traditional power conferences is much less than it once was. I don't think you can say there is parity in college football like there is in the NFL, but you're much closer to that "on any given day" thing that the NFL used to market.
For that reason, you can't just shrug off BSU by saying they don't deserve to play for a national championship because they had a weaker schedule. They're unbeaten and they've won a BCS bowl. If OSU beats Florida there will be only two teams who can say that and I think each has a valid claim to the title. And if Florida wins we'll have a very interesting situation.
flagpole, i strongly suggest you go back on the meds. it is natural to be a little depressed after the holiday season. heck, it's natural to be a whole lotta depressed when you're a middle-aged, bald, fat suburbanite.
xcjag wrote:
[quote]Flagpole Willy wrote:
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2) You're crazy if you think no one else has called it that. Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, ESPN...just about every NATIONAL news reporting agency called that game the greatest ever, including Keith Jackson who called that game and has called many many others.
I have never seen where any of "Authorities" you mention above would call that game the best (outside of some Commemorative OSU Champions Issue or something). Sure it was an exciting game but it was marred by a blown call that should have won the game for Miami - any game with serious controversy cannot ever be considered the best....
That being said, I really don't think that the BSU game will be the best ever - it is surely the best ending ever.
Flagpole Willy is just in love with OSU and is blind to the world outside of OSU and the Big 10 (what a sh*tty life that must be). Dude, OSU has definitely turned their football program around and have rejoined the ranks of the college elite but it is the the mecca of college football. I do a trip every year to see a few college football games and have been to most of the major stadiums in college football and can tell you this - OSU home games are great and it is definitely a top-10 venue but it cannot compare to the atmosphere @ LSU, PSU, TX A&M, UF, FSU, or the loudest place I have ever seen a game - Autzen Stadium @ U of Oregon - for a smaller stadium, it is absolutely crazy - not so great tailgate scene, but once inside the stadium - it is loud!....
Dude, comparing University or Oregon football to Ohio State football shows no knowledge on your part. Besides, who said anything about atmosphere? Want a nice atmosphere, go to a nice restaurant. Want to see some great college football (at least THIS SEASON), go see a Buckeye game. Teams that lose talk about how great their atmosphere is. I don't care about that. Since the BCS began, only USC has more appearances in BCS Bowl games than The Buckeyes.
I am hardly blinded. I didn't call for The Buckeyes to win a national title last year or the year before. I'm VERY realistic with regard to the Buckeyes. I even acknowledge that they could lose to Florida. I just don't think they will. But, if Florida pulls the upset, then more power to them. All the polls say OSU is the top team. Their record (Boise State excluded) says they are the best team. One more hurdle and IF they clear it, there is no doubt.
all right first off you didn't make the logic sound stupid you used it to bring Boise St. down again...so what if people are hyping it because Boise St was the underdog...that's part of what makes a game better when the little guy wins...also you're saying comebacks aren't exciting? comebacks are what get people screaming at their tvs...so when Oklahoma came back on BSU every sooner in that stadium was going crazy it was great...even if Boise State had led the entire game
btw ESPN ranked it the third greatest game ever ahead of your beloved Buckeyes beating Miami on that phantom interference call so maybe hmm idk you could be mistaken by saying this game was not one of the greatest ever and that I'm incorrect for having that opinion
3rd greatest bowl game ever*
brawn wrote:
Flagpole Willy, I rarely disagree with you, but you are way off in your assessment of Oklahoma as "not that good of a team". If Florida loses to Ohio State are they not that good of a team? Is USC not that good of a team? What about Michigan?
The reason I ask these questions is because I understand that bad calls do happen, rarely ever do you see a bad call change a team's season as much as the call against Oregon changed Oklahoma's. Had the right call been made they would have been a 1 loss team and would have had just as much of a right to play Ohio State as Florida, Michigan, or USC. I am no Sooner fan, but you can't disagree with this. Oklahoma was a very good team this year, and Boise State just beat a very good team. Sure they didn't beat Ohio State, but there should be no doubt that they could at least play with them (though the line would likely give them about 13-14 points, and rightly so).
An interesting thing happens with these bowl games, when the pairings are announced there is always some commotion, then it dies down. When Oklahoma was announced to play BSU, many people wondered what would have happened had the refs made the right call. How quickly do people forget these things? Also, don't give me any bullshit about how they should have just blown Oregon out, if that is the case then maybe Florida shouldn't have needed a missed FG to beat South Carolina.
brawn,
The definition of a good team is subjective. Yes a bad call cost Oklahoma that one game, but if they really were any good they would have been up 35-3 so a bad call wouldn't have made any difference. Any 3 loss team could be qualified as "good" I guess if by good you mean "doesn't suck completely" so if that's the definition you want to use then they are good. No one will ever remember fondly a traditional powerhouse football team with 3 losses. I call that not all that good. You define "good" anyway you want. 3 loses for an Oklahoma team makes them mediocre in my book.
rage wrote:
all right first off you didn't make the logic sound stupid you used it to bring Boise St. down again...so what if people are hyping it because Boise St was the underdog...that's part of what makes a game better when the little guy wins...also you're saying comebacks aren't exciting? comebacks are what get people screaming at their tvs...so when Oklahoma came back on BSU every sooner in that stadium was going crazy it was great...even if Boise State had led the entire game
btw ESPN ranked it the third greatest game ever ahead of your beloved Buckeyes beating Miami on that phantom interference call so maybe hmm idk you could be mistaken by saying this game was not one of the greatest ever and that I'm incorrect for having that opinion
Regarding that phantom interference call, I suggest you read what a reporter for the MIAMI HERALD had to say about the game including a quote from Kellen Winslow, Jr. and complete with pictures of several Miami players HOLDING including the very important one on Chris Gamble.
Here -
http://www.morrowcounty.info/osumiami.htmOSU deserved to win.
Flagpole Willy wrote:
rage wrote:all right first off you didn't make the logic sound stupid you used it to bring Boise St. down again...so what if people are hyping it because Boise St was the underdog...that's part of what makes a game better when the little guy wins...also you're saying comebacks aren't exciting? comebacks are what get people screaming at their tvs...so when Oklahoma came back on BSU every sooner in that stadium was going crazy it was great...even if Boise State had led the entire game
btw ESPN ranked it the third greatest game ever ahead of your beloved Buckeyes beating Miami on that phantom interference call so maybe hmm idk you could be mistaken by saying this game was not one of the greatest ever and that I'm incorrect for having that opinion
Regarding that phantom interference call, I suggest you read what a reporter for the MIAMI HERALD had to say about the game including a quote from Kellen Winslow, Jr. and complete with pictures of several Miami players HOLDING including the very important one on Chris Gamble.
Here -
http://www.morrowcounty.info/osumiami.htmOSU deserved to win.
Who cares about pictures - what matters is what was called - a phantom call against Miami....
I also saw the same ESPN ranking.... OSU-Miami wasn't in the top three.....
xcjag wrote:
Flagpole Willy wrote:Regarding that phantom interference call, I suggest you read what a reporter for the MIAMI HERALD had to say about the game including a quote from Kellen Winslow, Jr. and complete with pictures of several Miami players HOLDING including the very important one on Chris Gamble.
Here -
http://www.morrowcounty.info/osumiami.htmOSU deserved to win.
Who cares about pictures - what matters is what was called - a phantom call against Miami.
That's bogus. A non-call that should have been a call is just the same as a call that shouldn't have been. The fact that that self-described Miami Hurricanes HOMER wrote that article saying the Buckeyes deserved the win (along with PLAYER Kellen Winslow Jr.) should make it clear to you. Calls or no calls, there are bad calls in every game...I repeat EVERY GAME. For anyone to cry about it afterwards just means they can't accept the fact that they lost. SCOREBOARD is the only answer to a problem like this. Buckeyes won...deservedly so.