Even if the course takes 10 seconds off your track time, this would make Camargo the fastest female miler in the NY area. She has made an enormous improvement this year.
http://coolrunning.com/results/06/nh/Dec31_Millen_set1.shtml
26 1/42 F3039 4:24 4:24 Claudia Camargo 35 F 291 Danbury CT
was there drug testing there?
Zofia Weiciorkowska ran 4:51, which is above and beyond what she would normally do, and she's clean. Claudia's time does not need to be called into question on this one. My guess would be a fast course.
Joseph LeMay wrote:
My guess would be a fast course.
Yo, you didn't know it was a mega-downhill course?? Like MEGA downhill.
No. I didn't.
more like 15s - 17s faster then your best track time.
pretty lean gal...
your guess? wrote:
Yo, you didn't know it was a mega-downhill course?? Like MEGA downhill.
mega downhill is an understatement. i ran a couple years ago and ran ~25 sec faster than what i had been running all year.
spencer ran 3:59 at fifth avenue. which was at the beginning of his yearly cycle not the end like all the other guys.
i ran it a few years now. i've run a legt 4:12 and a 3:53 15 on the track and ran 4:05 there. So yea its much faster. but not 15-20 secs. more lke 8ish.
look at mark miller's time ths year. he ran an indoor 411 just last weekend at bu, ran 4:03 yesturday there. so, its waaay faster, more for some than others. but generally speaking i'd say a good rule of thumb is around 5-10 secs, with a compramise being 8.
damn she ran a marathon with a colostomy bag. thats pretty bad ass.
The course gives a lot more to slower runners, not just in absolute terms but in percentile ones. That is, if a 4:00 miler might gain 8-10 seconds, a 5:00 miler might pick up 20 and a 6:00 miler well over 30. I imagine this is because slower runners, even when cardiovascularly fit, can be severely limited by mechanical factors under normal circumstances in a way the fastest guys obviously are not.
i still would have liked to have seen her pee in a cup and pass the test. a 36-year old who is setting prs and who looks like a man raises red flags in my book.
jonsey wrote: compramise"compromise"
In starting the thread, I was not suggesting that Camargo was doping! Of course, that seems to be the conclusion here when anyone gets better fast. The truth is that she alread WAS very fast, a 2002 Argentina national champion in the 5000 and steeplechase. I believe that she was coming back from illness this year. My point was that she is now not only the fastest distance runner in NY (2:35 at the NYC Marathon) but also the fastest miler, with her 4:24 being worth no worse than 4:40 on the track.
she lost to Optimus Prime, how good could she be?
The Fifth Avenue Mile is net downhill, (slightly), and is considered a few seconds fast than a track mile:
Claudia Camargo, 35, Argentina, 4:42.8
XCTC wrote:
The Fifth Avenue Mile is net downhill, (slightly), and is considered a few seconds fast than a track mile:
Claudia Camargo, 35, Argentina, 4:42.8
An athlete’s condition is not the same every month & year that they compete, so their times will vary. I coached Claudia at age 36 after she had run this fast downhill mile and her 2:35 & 2:36 marathons and 1:09:42 half marathon. I also contacted the USATF course measurer who was also the certifier for this road mile. He did not set up the start and finish on race day so he could not guarantee that the course marshal or race director did, but when we do USATF certification measurements, we expect that the race organizing staff will follow our maps and descriptions of start & finish locations.