3 white men have gone sub 20 but....

if a person has gone sub 20, then if you do the math they had to have run a split of sub-10 during the 200m.

No not really. Michael Johnson went 19.32. But he didn't go 9.66.

MJ also didn't go sub 10 and he focused on the 100 in '94.

runnerman wrote:

no white man has gone sub 10? Why & will it ever happen?

It seems to me, that to go sub 20 would be a lot harder!

Hard to believe but no white American has ever ran a sub10.10 much less a sub10.00.

There was a time when there was little difference between white/black sprinters. Hell the 52,56 and 60 Oly 100 meters was won by white sprinters. Of course the fact that Northwestern's Jim Golliday(black) was injured might have a little to do with 52 and 56.

Palefaces Charley Paddock,Frank Wykoff,Hal Davis, Mel Patton, Bobby Morrow,Dave Sime,Aussie Hector Hogan and Germany's Armin Hary were all world record holders in the 100 prior to 1964.

The emergence of Bullet Bob Hayes in the early 60's appears to be when it all changed. Hayes was on an entirely different level than the world had ever seen. He was histories first super fast human. He would run the first sub10.0 and 6.0.

The 60's with Hayes,Charley Green,Jimmy Hines,Tommie Smith,John Carlos,Lee Evans and Ronnie Ray Smith saw the white sprinter pushed aside.

The Ukraines Valery Borzov and Italy's Pietro Mennea did gain a little respect back for the paleface sprinter in the 70's but it too little too late the flood gates had already been opened.

Blacks are simply lighter on their feet and built more for speed than white's it really is just that simple.(yes it's been researched) Just watch any NFL game or an NBA game and those differences couldn't be more obvious. How many fast,elusive white running backs have we seen over the years? Who are the great white def backs?

There will be a white sub10.00 sprinter, keep in mind Poland's Marian Worinin has ran a 10.00 back in the day so it can happen. I however think we'll see an oreintal break 10.00 before a white sprinter.

Then there's Patrick Johnson from Austrailia?

blah blah blah. Sprinters rule. blah blah blah. Their races are over in 10 seconds. blah blah blah. We think we're tough, but our races are too short for any real pain to set in. blah blah blah. We are so full of ourselves and make outrageous predictions of how much we'll beat the WR's by this year. Hey! Look at me! I'm gonna run 9.55 this year! blah blah blah. Sprints are bullshit.

blah blah blah wrote:

blah blah blah. Sprinters rule. blah blah blah. Their races are over in 10 seconds. blah blah blah. We think we're tough, but our races are too short for any real pain to set in. blah blah blah. We are so full of ourselves and make outrageous predictions of how much we'll beat the WR's by this year. Hey! Look at me! I'm gonna run 9.55 this year! blah blah blah. Sprints are bullshit.

I can tell by you mentioning 9.55 ya ain't got a clue.

Who won the 36 distance events in Berlin? Who hasn't heard of Jesses Owens?

Name an American distance ace as well known as Carl Lewis.

What was the biggest moment in the 96 games? How about that alien 19.32?

Who has meant more to his country Mo Greene or Gabe Jennings?

When the 2004 games well hell let's start with this years Worlds...

Watch who gets the most press the USA sprinters or the USA distance guys.........

Wake up!

I respect all athletes because I respect people who set goals and work to achieve them. Although, I don't respect a lot of the athletes as people. Some sprinters, like many basketball/football/baseball playes think that they are one of a kind and that every1 should get down on there knees and worship them. Our country has been embarrassed by sprinters before and that is not cool. I couldnt watch the presentation of the gold medal at the 2000 Olympics to the Mens 4x100. Thats just awful. I wish some of u sprinters would shut ur damn mouths and worry about yourselves. Its would be one thing if you were talking smack to guys from other countries, but you talk smack to your fellow countrymen...your teammates. Whatever happened to USA being a team. Maurice Greene and all those other guys are embarrassing...100m isnt even fun to watch anyways unless someone with class is running. MJ should be a model for all upcoming sprinters...not fricken Mo Greene...fastest man alive...more like fastest fading sprinter ever.

It has nothing to do with blacks being ligher on their feets. The fact of the matter is that a larger number of black train and run the sprints than whites; therefore, having greater probability of more successful athletes.

As soon as the number of white Americans participation increase in the sprints so will the number of world class times (look at Minnesota two 400m runners). There are white men out there in America who can run sub 10 or sub 20; however, at this time they simply haven't been found.

Kenya know for its distance runners have had medalist in the Olympic/World 400m and 400H, why because those athletes

went against tradition and ran in the sprints. Kenya also have had runners who clocked 20.29 or better in the 200m; therefore in a country that everyone thinks is genetically

gifted for distance runners-sprinters were forged. The same thing will happen in America with white male athletes as soon as the majority of them stop running middle and long distance the sprint times will drop (and vice versa with black Americans in the distance races).

Vipam

Brutal wrote:

Who won the 36 distance events in Berlin? Who hasn't heard of Jesses Owens?

Name an American distance ace as well known as Carl Lewis.

What was the biggest moment in the 96 games? How about that alien 19.32?

Who has meant more to his country Mo Greene or Gabe Jennings?

When the 2004 games well hell let's start with this years Worlds...

Watch who gets the most press the USA sprinters or the USA distance guys.........

Wake up!

I can tell you who won one of the distance events, a guy I know from back home named John Woodruff. Connellsville holds a 5K every July in his honor

Johnnie Woodruff, then and now ...

Tree given to Woodruff in Berlin for winning the gold, a symbol of peace right before Hitler decided to thrust Europe into WWII

American distance runner as well known as Carl Lewis? How about Bill Rodgers (of course, Lewis got some publicity this year when it was announced that he tested positive a la Ben Johnson)

Yes, there are no doubt some white statistical outliers who have sub-10 ability. But percentage-wise, it is a precious, precious few compared to the black population. What I'm saying is this: The percentage of black males whith the physical capacity to run sub-10 is exponentialy larger than percentage of white males with the same capacity. If you do not agree with this, you are profoundly wrong and suffer from wishful thinking disease. In addition, the best black statistical outliers (the talented sprinters among the black population) are better than the best white statistical outliers (the talented sprinters among whites).

Note that the two runners from minnesota are 400 runners, not 100 runners.

I agree that whites are probably discouraged by the black domination of the sprints, and less likely to attempt them. But the main thing is what whites aren't as good at sprinting.

Sub 20 is not harder than sub 10 because you have a flying start for the second 100m.

Brutal is a rump ranger. (with a very small penis) No suprise you come to aid of fellow steroid users.

Flying start or not, to run a sub 20 you have to be at a

pace of under 10 seconds twice. Yes, the first 100 is

a little over 10 but to sustain that pace for another

100 meters is hard as hell! Also, why are there more

sub 10's than sub 20's?

"I however think we'll see an oreintal break 10.00 before a white sprinter."

It's the year 2003 and we refer to the people of the "Orient" as Asians. The word Oriental is saved for objects not people. Let's try not to offend our friends in the East

hey that fool is trying to copy my name. Bastard.

"Flying start or not, to run a sub 20 you have to be at a

pace of under 10 seconds twice...."

So, if I run the first half in 10.05 and the second half in 9.90...your math says I am not running a sub-20 200...hmmmm.

You shouldn't play with matches or math.

Sub10s versus sub20s...fewer and fewer sprinters run both...not like some years back when sprinters ran the 100/200, 400 was a separation event, and then the distance folks took over. World of specialization.

The 100 is the main event. The 200 is for people that cannot win at the 100 and move to an event with less competition (actually all longer events are for people that cannot win at the 100). All sprinters try their best at the 100 which is why there would be more sub 10's than sub 20's. Athletes like Linford Christie, Andre Cason, Tim Montgomery, etc only dabbled in the 200 but never gave much effort to break 20. The white guys that broke 20 were talented athletes that focused on an event where they would be more competetive.

It seems that an athlete can run the 200 in less that double his 100 time if run at optimal performance but Michael Johnson' 19.32 is ridiculous.

Mikeswift wrote:

"I however think we'll see an oreintal break 10.00 before a white sprinter."

It's the year 2003 and we refer to the people of the "Orient" as Asians. The word Oriental is saved for objects not people. Let's try not to offend our friends in the East

When anyone let's something like is it Oriental or Asian, bother or offend them they need to stay of these boards. I wish that was all I had to concern myself with....geesh!

i'm Sorry vipam but that is total and ocmplete bullshit. blacks are more naturally gifted than whties. FACT. how do you explain the best Fb players being black? whites don't participate in that sport enough, hmmm?

bullshit.