Baylor gets beat by high school team

Probably cause they don't care about cross country. I think of Baylor and I think of 4 speedsters who can do a lap in 45 point.

Watch it... That's "Texas". Certainly not to make excuses for Baylor (doubt it was their top 7), but Kingwood / Woodlands (or both, I guess) is arguably amongst the best teams nationally.

i agree man. i hear the word "Baylor" and i immediately think of michael johnson, coach clyde hart, brandon couts, etc

Baylor sucks, all they care about is the mile relay! Football gives up 70 points opening day to a lousy Pac 10 ten. Basketball sucks, Baseball sucks, ect...it's sad to be a bear!

why didnt they run their top dog, matt chance?

I'm assuming you are joking d2, matt chance is their 8th runner in the results. As for the highschool team winning, looks like a pretty good team. Let me ask this. Who thinks they were better athletically in high school than they were in college? A better runner? I'd have to say for me I was better after college but this may be different for a lot of people. Naturally this is for those who aren't college scholarship runners, who better be better, but I'd be interested to hear about "the good old days." Better in HS or not?

I know the quotation marks mean the statement was tongue in cheek, but let's face it-the best collegiate program in Texas cc is Abilene Christian. Geez what a shame, when I was DII Coach, we thumped Baylor at Chile Pepper. They just don't devote the resources to distance running and thats a shame because they should be great....

I think Baylor sucks too however I think people have to remember that high schoolers are in much better shape right now and training for a 5k. Hopefully Baylor is not doing too much, if any, speed work right now. They guy who whas 5th or 6th, Kyle King, ran 14:06 for a 5k last Spring. Obviously, he is not in top shape right now.

1st of all this wasn't the same race and its pointless to compare XC times on different courses. The person who posted this is obvioulsy in high school and knows nothing about the college training plan.

They both ran on the same course, but the high schoolers did not run against the collegiates.

I know I should have looked further into what would have been an idiotic move by the Baylor coach (running with the HSers). bearsuck, what the heck are you doing meshing the results together as if they were in the same race!!! Baylor was probably doing a tempo run (esp. if it's their top 7... what are the results for their race??). You should be banned form the boards for a week for that classless maneuver.

I am sorry for my initial naivete.

Not only was it a different race, it wasn't even on the same day. Baylor was running in the Friday evening Rice Relay meet and the high school boys were in the Woodlands Invite the next morning. BTW, for those of you who are talking about how Baylor sucks for distance, wait until Coach Harbour has a roster with four or five years of his own recruting classes. He is one of the few coaches in Texas who will offer much in the way of anything to fairly competent American male runners, or to any American women. BTW, how many of our friends on this board have a better college mile PR than he does?

Its funny that you say that, the boys racing that day were not recuirted by coach harbour, because to my knowledge all of them were. And who ever said that you had to be an awesome runner to be an awesome coach, just look at alberto salazar his Nike boys have been less then spectacular.

Obviously oldman, no one has run faster than coach Harbor because he had or has the collegiate record in the mile or 1500, i don't remember which. Anyway, Baylor will never be good because all they care about is the 400 and don't say he only has Americans because that Ferenc kid is from hungary. Clyde goes to the other side of the pond all the time. Even if it was a tempo run, they should have beaten the tar out of a high school team no matter what day they ran, no matter if it was the same course or not.

Jason Vigilante at Texas can coach circles around Harbour and he has little if any scholarship money to work with and primarily Texas kids. His situation is probably a little easier with being at the state school in Texas as opposed to being at private school Baylor. Baylor, however, is an attractive school to recruit to and has its own strengths to sell in recruiting.

The point was that he doesn't have a full 4 or 5 years worth of his own recruits. You take what you can get each year and eventually (hopefully) build a complete team. Neither Rome nor an XC program (in most cases) was built in 2 or 3 years.

I agree that you don't need to be a great runner to be a good coach.

As far as what they should have run even if it was tempo, I would hope that the guys had at least used up some energy in a decent morning run, considering that it was a Friday evening meet, with a short distance (both for the race and the drive from Baylor). It was obviously at the time of year to be strictly training through.

BTW, Vacek, is that Jessa or Mike?

UTSA is on the way up keep an eye out for them...

They have

GW hands Baylor's xc team its most embarrassing defeat since Baylor was whipped by a high school team last week. Assistant Coach, also a sophomore athlete on the women's team and the designated team spokesman for both teams, had this to say about the mens' team's performance, "I wasn't sure that our team could live up to the challenge presented by Baylor. When we last raced Robinson High School, we couldn't even break their top 5. But Baylor proved to be less formidable than we had ever imagined."

Baylor head coach had this to say, "this shows you the importance of having a strong 6th man. We figured that our number one runner and their number one runner would do their own thing and out class the entire field--and they sure enough did that, both averaged 5:55 over the tough Texas terrain--with the GW man barely nipping our number 1 at the finish, with a 5 mile time of 29:35. I should've seen it coming; that was a sign of things to come. Losing because our 6th man couldn't even beat someone averaging 8 minutes a mile is pathetic!"

GW head coach added that they are looking forward to racing more college competition in the future because "as I noticed with my own training, racing against 9 years olds really doesn't prepare you for the big leagues. We'll have to focus more on racing college age teams, such as Baylor to become more successful." She further added, "I have already scheduled a lecture by Galloway who is going to teach how walking can improve our times. Galloway is a great man."

We also took the liberty to interview "Avg. Runner" who said that he thought that we and the college world put to much emphasis on trying to win and that we should all just have fun.

And people in the sport of cross country wonder why the sports world no longer considers competitive running to be a real sport.

AnObserver wrote:

Jason Vigilante at Texas can coach circles around Harbour and he has little if any scholarship money to work with and primarily Texas kids.

I don't buy that for a second. He gets a good recruiting class including Joe Thorne (Georgia) and Paul Morrison (Princeton) with no money? Not likely. Also "just texas kids" is pretty ridiculous, how many HS runners are in Texas? Probably too many. It's not like he doesn't get his pick of the litter. Granted he's no Vinny, but no one is.