The Case for El Guerrouj Having Been Clean

I have a thought. Are you a troll? No one has accused him of being dirty.

No, I'm not a troll. I am, however, a realist, who assumes that anyone as dominate as El G is certainly not innocent until proven guilty.

El Guerrouj's training partners had to dope to pace him in training...does that make him guilty as well?

I have a better case:

1) He never tested positive for anything, not even an "A" sample like Bernard Lagat (USA)

2) His peers all felt he was clean

Muger Cement wrote:

I have a better case:

1) He never tested positive for anything, not even an "A" sample like Bernard Lagat (USA)

2) His peers all felt he was clean

Oh like that means anything. Marion Jones never tested positive prior to Balco breaking!

this is a joke of a thread he's juiced to the max you can tell even by looking at him and I know that some of his peers think that too..... Please explain his dismal loss of form in the build up to Athens then the subsequent double a month later? Impossible

Keino ran 3:34.9 for 1500m at high altitude at Mexico City. If El Guerrouj ran on that same track, he would most likely need pacers and a very very good race to take down that time. For that reason alone, times in the 3:26 range seem very reasonable without performance enhancing drugs.

dirty, dirty, dirty

dromia wrote:

Muger Cement wrote:

I have a better case:

1) He never tested positive for anything, not even an "A" sample like Bernard Lagat (USA)

2) His peers all felt he was clean

Oh like that means anything. Marion Jones never tested positive prior to Balco breaking!

Yeah, but what did her "peers" think?

He "struggled" with 3:32s, then did a 3:27....

Did you ever do a few shyte feeling 1500s that were up to 6-8sec slower than your PR, then get a PR?

However, in this day and age, will we ever not have our suspicions? I believe Coe was clean, and he rean 1:41 / 3:29. Therefore El G can run 3:26 clean....and just LOOK at him run. Who had this kind of form?

braces

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What does that have to do with doping? He hadn't been training well and was having a rough beginning of the season, and then he pulled it together. What do you mean "struggling with 3:32s?" The 5k in Athens wasn't a real 5k, it was practically a 1500m race, and El G exploited that by dominating with his far superior sprint speed. His double makes perfect sense.

Before Athens he struggled - BUT STILL DID 3:32 ANYWAY! That was my point. I was arguing against the guy who says he had zero form before Athens - a big myth really.

this exact arguement was presented yesturday.

Angolan Fugee:

With all the talk of drug cheats I have a statement to make and a question to ask. First, heres the burning question for me: Is it possible for anybody to run 3.26 for the mile without being on drugs? I think so, but I would love to hear others opinions on it.

Is it not possible that in the history of the human being someone could run 6 seconds faster than John Walker (NZL-someone I know for a fact never used drugs)? For me his 3.32 puts other races into perspective. Could someone have 6 seconds more natural ability and talent, technology (non-chemist), and improved training than walker....of course. 3.26 is the most legal record in my opinion-I believe El G was clean and even if he wasn't it is highly plausable in my opinion that someone could run 3.26.

To anyone who actually believes that ANY of the top elites are clean, I'm not sure if I find your extreme naivety appaling or if I am actually envious of your oblivious state.

Sylis wrote:

this exact arguement was presented yesturday.

Around here, yesterday might as well be 60,000 years ago.

One of the quaint "charms" of this place (exaggerating only slightly) is that no one listens and no one remembers. History is bunk, any opinion is true if one asserts it angrily or often enough, and every subject is perpetually new. That's some kind of utopia.

This thread started today and I didn't see the arguement yesterday.

old tymer wrote:

braces

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When? For how long?

For those of you who are clueless, braces are often need to correct teeth/jaw problems from using human growth hormone (currently not detectable).