He lost one shoe with 1300m to go in Oslo.
This was his third 1500m of the year. He ran 3:34 and 3:33 in the two other ones
He lost one shoe with 1300m to go in Oslo.
This was his third 1500m of the year. He ran 3:34 and 3:33 in the two other ones
No, it shows how well even one super shoe works.
Imagine how fast he would have been if he'd lost both.
Given that one shoe is enough for a former 68:00 half marathon guy to run a 3:34 1500, it is proof that they work: even one of them is enough!
vsfvfa wrote:
He lost one shoe with 1300m to go in Oslo.
This was his third 1500m of the year. He ran 3:34 and 3:33 in the two other ones
With 2 of them he would literally blow Jakob's doors off
Wow! Your observation is proof that correlation implies causation. Astute.
Benefits of super shoes is not just in racing but all the workouts you're able to do that much more efficient.
Wow, you should publish your findings on a sports science journal straight away!
Barefoot is always the best.
I proved this to myself many decades ago by alternating barefoot
with lightweight racing shoes in the same race every week for two months.
The one I ran barefoot was significantly faster than any of the races in racing shoes.
The super shoes are much worse than the racing shoes I wore at that time.
The excessive foam super shoe fad is nonsensical BS to sell terrible shoes for high prices.
He was last in his race with one shoe and then first in his next race with two shoes.
Advantage super shoes.
I know everyone is memeing here, but I'm going to be the voice of reason: the feeling of your unconditioned bare foot hitting the ground of a TRACK either feels painful; or you are so numb it feels like you are running with a peg leg.
Shoe manufacturers force people to wears shoes when the science is settled that barefoot is best.
Clean Zola was battering the Eastern Europeans when she was only a kid. The capitalists promptly banned her from all athletics events.
I've just timed myself running to the shop barefoot and with shoes on, the gap in time was astonishing.
Barefooters v PEDders is a no contest.
End capitalism now!
vsfvfa wrote:
He lost one shoe with 1300m to go in Oslo.
This was his third 1500m of the year. He ran 3:34 and 3:33 in the two other ones
Shows that you just need to spend the money on the shoes. You don’t need to actually wear them to get the benefits.
With only one shoe he compressed the carbon plate more resulting in greater energy return.
Also - EPO and HGH.
Cant say I agree w any of the logic here, but I enjoy the creative thinking--and the step away from shoe worship! Shoes dont win races; feet win races.
I'm not denying that supershoes makes you faster, but it's not like he would've run a 3:29 with supershoes. Nordaas' race wasn't optimal, it was a bit of pushing and colliding. And when you're wearing only one shoe, you're running pattern becomes a bit different, due to slightly different "leg length" (or whatever you wanna call it) He got a bloody foot too, so he was probably running in some pain. Several years ago (I thing it was in the WC in Gothenburg in 1995), Norwegian Steeplechaser Jim Svenøy lost his shoe in the semifinal. He kept powering through but he finnished with a bloody foot (another Kenyan lost his shoe as well, but he was okay. He had much thicker skin under his foot, as he was used to do a lot of barefoot running in Kenya) Svenøy's season best that year was 8:18.26, he did 8:24.49 in the qualifying heat, and ended up with a 8:40.53 semifinal. Supershoes or not, you're not gonna run right around your PB or SB if you lose one or both shoe(s). It's not as simple as saying "See, he ran X without one shoe, and his PB/SB is Y, therefore, the shoes make a X-Y difference. There are more factors that has to be taken into consideration.
I also like to point out that:
1. Jakob ran 3:30.16 without supershoes in 2019. And his 2023 SB (current PB) was a 3:27.14 there are people saying that supershoes makes up 3 seconds in the 1500m/mile. So I guess Jakob hasn't improved one bit in those 4 years, and he's at the exact same level in 2023 as he was in 2019.
2. I've seen people writing that Jim Ryun's 3:33.1 in the sixties with old shoes on cinder tracks would've been a 3:24.xx today. I don't buy that.
3. Haile Gebrselassie said that with today's shoes he could've broken 2 hours in the marathon (ordinary competition circumstances). His PB is 2:03:59. So would've needed to run exactly 4 minutes (240 seconds) faster (at the very least). 240 seconds/42.195KMs = 5.69 seconds per kilometer. I believe the shoes makes a different, but not by a such large margin.
placingp wrote:
He was last in his race with one shoe and then first in his next race with two shoes.
Advantage super shoes.
2 different distances
His SB at 3000m was 7:35. He ran 7:33 in Stockholm. So pretty much the same.
what do you suggest he would have run with 2 supershoes?
At that level the shoes are only worth 1 - 1.5 seconds at most. So, it actually makes sense that he would lose that much time. Also, runners have run 3:34 w/o cheat shoes before. This is no novelty. The real data comes from looking at times as a whole. Especially the 3:55 - 4:05 group where the shoes are most effective. Why are the shoes most effective at this talent level? Because the data shows it.
There is a reason nike developed the shoes. The first sub 2 hr marathon came from the shoes. The new spikes are just a toned down version. There is a reason every…single…competitive…runner…is…wearing…them. From HS to world elite. And there is a reason every shoe company has followed suit. The shoes work! Runners know it. You need to look no further than all the national, world, collegiate, and age-group records that have been set just since the shoes. Bekele’s records were untouchable. But here we’re are with two runners, just since cheat shoes, running faster in the 5000m.
Nothing else has changed since 2019.
Not much benefit for the elite. The greatest benefit is to the 5 and 6 minute milers. But probably 4 seconds in the 1500 for a 4 minute 1500 runner. Likely 2.seconds for a 3:30 runner.
Super spikes were around for the Nike/NB athletes in 2019