epo for sprinting?

Does it help for just general training? My guess is, yeah.

Recovery in training and inbetweens rounds/semis/heats.

in the dark wrote:

can some one tell me how EPO benefits a sprinter?

It doesn't. It doesn't aid in recovery in the slightest and it doesn't help his/her sprinting. Steroids would aid in recovery among other things but more red blood cells aren't going to help the phosphate system in the slightest.

See none of this stuff really works for anyone, they only need it to prop up their mental game. EPO, Mondafinil, thyroid meds, altitude tents, asthma meds, HGH, none of that really works, these folks would be just as fast without the drugs. It is all in their heads.

not one bit wrote:

in the dark wrote:

can some one tell me how EPO benefits a sprinter?

It doesn't. It doesn't aid in recovery in the slightest and it doesn't help his/her sprinting. Steroids would aid in recovery among other things but more red blood cells aren't going to help the phosphate system in the slightest.

I hope everyone understands that EACH system is working during ANY effort. So an improved oxygen delivery system would aid ANY athlete.

Alan

They are all sheep wrote:

See none of this stuff really works for anyone, they only need it to prop up their mental game. EPO, Mondafinil, thyroid meds, altitude tents, asthma meds, HGH, none of that really works, these folks would be just as fast without the drugs. It is all in their heads.

Of course it is not all in their heads, dipshit. But sprinters aren't going to perform better or recover faster with EPO. A higher hematocrit isn't going to give marion one hundredth of a second on her race times.

Distance runners ARE helped by it.

There is some evidence EPO benefits the nervous system, protecting neurons from free radical damage. It would (at least theoretically) be of use in any vigorous activity, regardless of the energy systems used.

So, you are a physiologist and know the ins and outs of drug use? You really have no idea about what you are talking about do you? Most drugs have a long list of side effects, or perhaps even side "benefits"? Obviously EPO was part of the magic potion whipped up by Victor Conter - Jones used it, White used it, Montgomery used it, ...The positive test on the "A" sample was not for steroids, but for erythropoietin, also known as EPO, an endurance booster usually associated with distance runners. Only recently have sprinters been subjected to tests for the drug.When former world 100- and 200-meter champion Kelli White told the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that EPO was among the banned substances she had used, testing was expanded to sprinters.Charles Yesalis, a doping expert and recently retired Penn State professor, said sprinters use EPO to expand their endurance during training."If you train harder, during that 10-plus seconds you will perform better," he said

not one bit wrote:

They are all sheep wrote:

See none of this stuff really works for anyone, they only need it to prop up their mental game. EPO, Mondafinil, thyroid meds, altitude tents, asthma meds, HGH, none of that really works, these folks would be just as fast without the drugs. It is all in their heads.

Of course it is not all in their heads, dipshit. But sprinters aren't going to perform better or recover faster with EPO. A higher hematocrit isn't going to give marion one hundredth of a second on her race times.

Distance runners ARE helped by it.

Runningart2004 wrote:

I hope everyone understands that EACH system is working during ANY effort. So an improved oxygen delivery system would aid ANY athlete.

Alan

Correct.

Some possibilities

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15322761&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15193351&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14561390&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12524467&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

A lot of this is speculation and some use animal models, but we also know that when the animal folks find something the druggies come a calling so maybe they just decided that if it works in a rat, we'll try it in a human. As to the efficacy (not to mention the safety) of it, that is still in question.

Well, with some messages deleted, the continuity of this will be lost in what remains of the thread. But ...

Aaaaah, close enough. I guess I can grudgingly accept the comparison.

Actually, there's no clinical evidence it doesn't have ten times the effectiveness of Vitamin C. I'm sure sprinters take Vit. C as well. Look, I don't think EPO improves speed either. But sprinters take it. Why? Maybe it makes other drugs less detectable. Maybe it just makes them feel better. A healthy person will get more out of daily training, even doing short sprints, than an anemic one will, so how much more daily vigor would a juiced-up person feel? Yes, anabolic steroids can accomplish the same thing, but maybe sprinters have found that EPO works even better for that general well-being. They're the ones doping, not us. Doesn't it make sense they've discovered something that we're still sitting here guessing and arguing about? Or maybe it doesn't do anything except add a greater risk of them being caught, but they're all a load of gibbering, addle-pated simpletons, so they take it anyway. No, I'm thinking they've found out that it actually does help them.

Oh, no problem! Always happy to add my contributions (along with a little petty "I know you are but what am I?" banter) to the many other invaluable tomes of wisdom so thoughtfully and eloquently explained by the legion of message board geniuses that are continually weighing in on equally important topics such as Webb's receding hairline, worst grunge bands, and Jason Rexing's manhood.

Yes it is the incredible shrinking thread.

Does it make sense that they've discovered something? Sure it makes sense. Does that mean they have? No. They're just covering their bases. Just as they would by taking an unbanned multivitamin.

Marion took EPO because someone told her to. She got the same benefit from it that she got from Vitamin C. If she had had some sort of abnormal red-blood cell DEFICIENCY (like a cancer patient), then it might have made a difference. Just as Vitamin C would help her with scurvy. Short of that, it does nothing for her. That's why the sprinters of the world aren't sitting their worry about their Hematocrit like the marathoners.

not one bit wrote:

They're just covering their bases ... Marion took EPO because someone told her to.

So they are a load of gibbering, addle-pated simpletons.

Yeah, I could see that.

Luigi Vercotti wrote:

So they are a load of gibbering, addle-pated simpletons.

Yeah, I could see that.

Marion? -- who knows. She sure isn't famous for her brains.

Anyone ever thought that EPO helps you do a more extensive warm up and still run well? Well thats what you use it for. If you ever watched some of the 400m runners run 36x100 in14s with no visible fatigue and wondered how they can then go out and run a 44.x well thats how.