Until the agents, coaches are held accountable for the athletes whom they represent - nothing will change.
The African country’s governments, the federations, the pharmacies, the suppliers and mafia will continue on exploiting the athletes.
The athletes that are caught don’t cough up names for fear of reprisal.
For every one Kenyan athlete caught there are hundreds willing to do the same.
Wada, the AIU are doing what they can but are stretched thin.. keep up the work it is appreciated by the clean athletes and fans that want clean sport. The sponsors want clean sport as do companies considering investments into track and field.
Kenyans are being caught, Ethiopia is wide open, Uganda is even wider open.
Agents and sponsors should absolutely have more responsibility when they benefit from, at minimum, turning a blind eye to doping.
Yes, Rosa and his athletes should continue to be questioned and subjected to higher scrutiny.
Yes, Nike and their athletes, Rita Jeptoo, but also Shelby Houkihan, Justin Gatlin, Marion Jones, Mo Farah and Galen Rupp and Alberto Salazar, and all of them.
Agents and sponsors that benefit from doping and destroy the sport should not be allowed to continue doping runners and further destroying the sport.
At this point, why would you believe any Kenyan is clean? Just look at Wanyonyi. His coach, Berardelli, has SIX athletes under suspension for drug ise - the we know of. Yet there are those who think Wanyonyi is clean. Please. Kenyan equals doper. Just the way it is.
At this point, why would you believe any Kenyan is clean? Just look at Wanyonyi. His coach, Berardelli, has SIX athletes under suspension for drug ise - the we know of. Yet there are those who think Wanyonyi is clean. Please. Kenyan equals doper. Just the way it is.
So why not ban Kenya? Or why do race organizers continue to invite and pay appearance and prize money to Kenyan runners?
Agents and sponsors should absolutely have more responsibility when they benefit from, at minimum, turning a blind eye to doping.
Yes, Rosa and his athletes should continue to be questioned and subjected to higher scrutiny.
Yes, Nike and their athletes, Rita Jeptoo, but also Shelby Houkihan, Justin Gatlin, Marion Jones, Mo Farah and Galen Rupp and Alberto Salazar, and all of them.
Agents and sponsors that benefit from doping and destroy the sport should not be allowed to continue doping runners and further destroying the sport.
I'm wondering, why this article, and why now? What new information does it bring? Who says any of that is going on, especially when they write:
"As far as the public knows, neither Kiplimo nor Chebet has ever tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs or substances (PEDs). Likewise, Rosa has not been convicted of anything untoward."
Of course it’s fair, and it is brought up on here all the time. That being said, some of the article shows bias and it veers to the authors POV. The “it looks too easy” thing is subjective and is used very selectively. There’re athletes of all types and abilities who run their best and don’t collapse into a heap. He also decides to jump to athletes who have nothing to do with those two or the agency. Doesn’t seem necessary or relevant. Kiplimo is otherworldly at the half. Chebets full sprint off any pace is unparalleled. Their agent is considered highly suspicious and rarely takes any accountability or says a word after the news of a ban. That’s where we’re at, and as long as Nike gives full backing to Rosa, and meets/road races mostly invite their athletes (there’re exceptions) it’s how it’s gonna be. Nike to me should be demanding more accountability for Rosa. It seems Adidas has for Berardelli by doing proactive initiatives like they did with Sawe/AIU and tightening up operations at 2RunningClub.
According to World Athletics, Rosa currently represents 144 athletes.
What is the connection? Who are the alternatives?
Calling Athletics Illustrated "journalism" is a stretch. It's more than often poorly researched, poorly written, and poorly proof-read. It's essentially an early 2000's blog that has somehow survived
I'm wondering, why this article, and why now? What new information does it bring? Who says any of that is going on, especially when they write:
"As far as the public knows, neither Kiplimo nor Chebet has ever tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs or substances (PEDs). Likewise, Rosa has not been convicted of anything untoward."
I am wondering why you are wondering about all that.
In other news, Rosa has had over a dozen banned athletes. That gotta be a sad record of some sort.
At this point, why would you believe any Kenyan is clean? Just look at Wanyonyi. His coach, Berardelli, has SIX athletes under suspension for drug ise - the we know of. Yet there are those who think Wanyonyi is clean. Please. Kenyan equals doper. Just the way it is.
So why not ban Kenya? Or why do race organizers continue to invite and pay appearance and prize money to Kenyan runners?
Kenya is never getting banned. I could speculate why this is the case but I'd bet my house Kenya will never be banned, though I'm not sure how I'd collect my winnings with that as a time frame. If it was going to happen it would have by now. And I doubt race directors have much stomach to stop bringing in East Africans because they want their winners turning in fast times.
I have a harder time understanding why there are no policies for dealing with agents or coaches who have multiple athletes caught doping. I think it's long past time to address these agents and I think it's long [past time for major road races to offer financial compensation for runners who have been beaten out of prize money by runners later caught doping. I would also suggest that athletes found to have won prize money and doping be required to repay the money as condition for reinstatement and if they don't repay their agents should be required to as a condition for being allowed to represent athletes/
Kenya is never getting banned. I could speculate why this is the case but I'd bet my house Kenya will never be banned, though I'm not sure how I'd collect my winnings with that as a time frame. If it was going to happen it would have by now. And I doubt race directors have much stomach to stop bringing in East Africans because they want their winners turning in fast times.
I have a harder time understanding why there are no policies for dealing with agents or coaches who have multiple athletes caught doping. I think it's long past time to address these agents and I think it's long [past time for major road races to offer financial compensation for runners who have been beaten out of prize money by runners later caught doping. I would also suggest that athletes found to have won prize money and doping be required to repay the money as condition for reinstatement and if they don't repay their agents should be required to as a condition for being allowed to represent athletes/
It is nonsense talking about banning a country. WADA and ADOs would have some power to ban federations, and anti-doping agencies, and declare the Nairobi lab non-compliant. But it hardly makes any sense to talk in terms of banning a country.
There is already a WADA rule that would ban agents and coaches if they were administrating doping to their athletes. In a society that values a policy of innocent until proven guilty, you cannot, and should not, ban agents or coaches based on multiple fallacies without some evidence.
So why not ban Kenya? Or why do race organizers continue to invite and pay appearance and prize money to Kenyan runners?
Kenya is never getting banned. I could speculate why this is the case but I'd bet my house Kenya will never be banned, though I'm not sure how I'd collect my winnings with that as a time frame. If it was going to happen it would have by now. And I doubt race directors have much stomach to stop bringing in East Africans because they want their winners turning in fast times.
I have a harder time understanding why there are no policies for dealing with agents or coaches who have multiple athletes caught doping. I think it's long past time to address these agents and I think it's long [past time for major road races to offer financial compensation for runners who have been beaten out of prize money by runners later caught doping. I would also suggest that athletes found to have won prize money and doping be required to repay the money as condition for reinstatement and if they don't repay their agents should be required to as a condition for being allowed to represent athletes/
Tracking and clawing back prize money is difficult. Despite its best efforts, the BAA wasn’t able to extract the money from Rita Jeptoo. I’ve for a long time thought that at least some of the prize money should be escrowed until samples are retested with more advanced techniques or until an athlete is definitively cleared. Where collective action to dope is known (not necessarily criminal conspiracy or”official” state action such as Russia), the escrow percent would be higher. WADA and AIU have the legal expertise to do this. Whether the will exists is another question.
I am wondering why you are wondering about all that.
In other news, Rosa has had over a dozen banned athletes. That gotta be a sad record of some sort.
So you can't explain it either. It is a head scratcher.
It looks like the only point of the opinion piece is to fuel distrust by rehashing old news, I guess because Kiplomo set another record.
Such bad journalism lobbing such broad allegations while admitting there isn't any evidence of anything untoward only harms the sport.
Rosa is an agent of many athletes, and currently only guilty of association.
I didn't say I can't explain "it" either. Poor logic from you. Also, "it'? You wondered about several things in that post of yours, and asked three other questions in your first post here.
And you still haven't explained why you wondered about so many (7?!) things...
It looks like the only point of your posts is to distract from all the doping of Rosa's athletes.