What Really Happened to Tuohy?

We're busy thinking about the NCAA meet this upcoming weekend. When we say "can we talk about this as adults," you're being disingenuous.

A professional runner who was considered a "generational talent" who has never broken 15 minutes was never really a generational talent.

50% of threads are started by mods posing as innocent high school kids. The intent is irrelevant. The discussion is what is important. Tuohy developed early. She is overly muscular which put her ahead of skinny young girls but doesn't work to get to the next level. It reminds me of the 14 year old boy in 8th grade who is built like a man while running 4:40 for 1600. By senior year, he is running 4:28 and is frustrated. Tuohy entered that world later on in college.

Kind of disingenuous response. She was by any measure breaking records from the mt rushmore of American HS girls and winning NCAAs = generational talent, in fact all time generational talent by definition. What you are saying is she isnt a very good pro, which is the OPs question. So, you know, try again.

Also, incorrect. She was not "relatively" better than her current peers as you suggest. She was better than everyone ever to do it, and there have been some greats. Thats a lot of talent, not just a little muscle.

My 2 guesses:

1) we know she had at least one injury post college, maybe that and a set back or 2 brings u to today?

2) Like we discussed in other threads, with women, there is an x factor where they just stop improving.

Her brother took 4th at the NY state meet which helped North Rockland win its first ever XC state title

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This is probably controversial to say but, my unprofessional take?

The thing that catapulted her to success in college is the very thing that’s holding her back as a pro.
Her “Wolfpack” team.
She’s chosen to stay near her college, training with them, without anyone pushing her. She’s likely one of (if not the) fastest in her group, at sea level.

What she needs is extended altitude training, a new, strong team of fast women, and to look ahead in her career, not behind.

She is living and training like a college student, not like someone who will qualify for the Olympics.

Tuohy trained very very hard in high school. She never appeared to be a "generational talent". Her form limits her top speed, and that weakness was apparent early on.

In college, she got through the awkward development phase girls go through, and put on more muscle and trained harder than ever. After struggling initially, she was rewarded for her hard work with multiple NCAA titles.

Now she's having some injury issues and also just might have been near the limits of her ability anyway. There is no shame in being Tuohy; she is willing to do all the little things to maximize the talent she has. If she can get healthy again she can be around a 15 min flat 5k woman which will be just fine to keep a pro contract.

She ran slower than Valby in college. She ran slower than Roe as a pro. She ran slower lifetime than Jane. They are all the same generation. Tuohy would hsve been a nobody if she was Jane's grade.

You are naming people after. She set records and was better than literally every generation before her, and she is not nearly as good as a pro as some of them which I think is the discussion. I didn't say she was the best all time now and in the infinite future. You statement lends nothing to the current question.

She peaked early. Likely reached the max. Which isn't anything bad. She is now just one of the 20 or so US elites. Just not the top 5 anymore.

But we know that she isn't a generational talent even if people thought she was. This is silly. They are in her generation. So is Schweizer and Monson. Tuohy was slower than Cook or Hutchins. I guess they were generational talents too. And Blade and Leachman. Tuohy is way down the list and she is dropping fast.

Never a "generational talent."

Generational talents: Mary Decker, Mary Cain, Jane Hedengren.

Slightly below "generational talent": Debbie Heald, Melody Fairchild, one more from 70's that I can't remember the name of

That is the point. "Slow Tuohy" obviously reserves the right to to re-label anyone after the fact. Suppose in 5 years someone is fast than Jane? Do we seek out the Ministry of Truth to rewrite all of the current praise for her?

Probably Lynn Bjorklund. Her HS 3000m record was also the American Record. Love the story about her running 18 miles to save people injured in a plane crash.

Is Grace Ping a generational talent? Heck no even though she holds world records. A generation is 20 years. Tuohy is slower than at least a dozen women of her generation.

"Generational talent" is an extremely overused term. What people usually really mean when they use it is "talented".