US Doping problem in sprints

history biffy wrote:

LOL. If it's too good to be true...

Let's see who we got:
Bracy-Williams, Coleman, Crawford, DeLoach, Drummond, Gatlin, Gay, Kerley, Knighton, Lewis, D. Mitchell, Montgomery, ...

Merritt, M. Mitchell, Pettigrew, Phillips, Roberts, Ross, Young, ...

Plus the ladies of course, from Jones to Richardson...

Not excited wrote:

Fred Kerley, Erriyon Knighton, Marvin Bracy Williams all suspended. All medalists in 2022. As is the case with Kenya, is the long-time dominance of sprints by the US based on natural ability or other elements? In fact, given the diversity of the human population is it even possible for 1 country to dominate a particular event for decades? Take football as an example, countries dominate in phases - Italy, Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina etc, but no one country is able to establish perpetual dominance. So when a country like Kenya, USA starts showing signs of what looks like indefinite dominance of long distance or sprints, should this serve as a red flag? Should we will still use genetics, technology, training facilities, environment all as excuses?

flyingfrog wrote:

history biffy wrote:

LOL. If it's too good to be true...

Let's see who we got:
Bracy-Williams, Coleman, Crawford, DeLoach, Drummond, Gatlin, Gay, Kerley, Knighton, Lewis, D. Mitchell, Montgomery, ...

Merritt, M. Mitchell, Pettigrew, Phillips, Roberts, Ross, Young, ...

Plus the ladies of course, from Jones to Richardson...

US dominance in sprints is known to be based on advanced training, a larger genetic base, and low altitude training. The truth will come out and athletes vindicated.

Not excited wrote:

Fred Kerley, Erriyon Knighton, Marvin Bracy Williams all suspended. All medalists in 2022. As is the case with Kenya, is the long-time dominance of sprints by the US based on natural ability or other elements? In fact, given the diversity of the human population is it even possible for 1 country to dominate a particular event for decades? Take football as an example, countries dominate in phases - Italy, Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina etc, but no one country is able to establish perpetual dominance. So when a country like Kenya, USA starts showing signs of what looks like indefinite dominance of long distance or sprints, should this serve as a red flag? Should we will still use genetics, technology, training facilities, environment all as excuses?

Hot Takes wrote:

Roberto Bettega wrote:

So Kenya has been doping since the 1960s ?
How did they get access to drugs that westerners didn't have access to in 1968 ?

Kenya wasn't dominant in the 1960's. Or the 1970's, or the 1980's. It was the 1990's when Africa started dominating the distance events and being the only ones beating the world records. The 1990's also seem to be when EPO was running rampant, and lingering into the 2000's. During the Haile G, Komen, Bekele battles.

Yanksbedrugging wrote:

Could extend to any foreign athlete

Hot Takes wrote:

Roberto Bettega wrote:

So Kenya has been doping since the 1960s ?
How did they get access to drugs that westerners didn't have access to in 1968 ?

Kenya wasn't dominant in the 1960's. Or the 1970's, or the 1980's. It was the 1990's when Africa started dominating the distance events and being the only ones beating the world records. The 1990's also seem to be when EPO was running rampant, and lingering into the 2000's. During the Haile G, Komen, Bekele battles.

Not excited wrote:

Fred Kerley, Erriyon Knighton, Marvin Bracy Williams all suspended. All medalists in 2022. As is the case with Kenya, is the long-time dominance of sprints by the US based on natural ability or other elements? In fact, given the diversity of the human population is it even possible for 1 country to dominate a particular event for decades? Take football as an example, countries dominate in phases - Italy, Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina etc, but no one country is able to establish perpetual dominance. So when a country like Kenya, USA starts showing signs of what looks like indefinite dominance of long distance or sprints, should this serve as a red flag? Should we will still use genetics, technology, training facilities, environment all as excuses?

Roberto Bettega wrote:

Kickers usually win wrote:

Why is it that Kenyans are getting busted left and right while Houlihan is the only one to be caught in the U.S.? Kenyans undoubtedly have access to the same state of the art doping methods, so if Americans are getting away with, so should the Kenyans.

Two reasons:

1. Kenyans get tested a lot more than Americans and Europeans. Kenya has the most stringent anti-doping protocols.

2. Kenyans are not sophisticated at doping as Americans and Europeans are. Americans have entire teams of Salazar type medical experts whose job it is to beat the dope tests. Many Kenyans just pop pills and hope not to get tested.

truth hurts wrote:

Nation of cheaters. Hopefully WADA will shut down US.

rekrunner wrote:

Hot Takes wrote:

Kenya wasn't dominant in the 1960's. Or the 1970's, or the 1980's. It was the 1990's when Africa started dominating the distance events and being the only ones beating the world records. The 1990's also seem to be when EPO was running rampant, and lingering into the 2000's. During the Haile G, Komen, Bekele battles.

Kenya and Ethiopia started dominating the distance world in Cross Country in the 1980s.