When Shelby was doping, her best finish was 4th in 2019. Presumably she’s not doping now. And she still finishes 4th. Does that mean doping does not have that much of an effect? Why did she do it to begin with?
When Shelby was doping, her best finish was 4th in 2019. Presumably she’s not doping now. And she still finishes 4th. Does that mean doping does not have that much of an effect? Why did she do it to begin with?
She's back on the burritos
The answer is simple - a pro contract and several hundred thousand $.
Schrodinger's Doper. Your only doping because somebody in authority says your doping otherwise your not doping. All athletes are provisionally not doping until proven otherwise but this doesn't mean their not doping.
In sum - never make heroes of men and they'll never disappoint you.
You can't presume she's not doping; only that if she is doping she hasn't been caught again - yet. Testing catches only a fraction of the dopers; most aren't caught.
You presume too much. This is a doping sport.
This is why it bugs me when people say “she served her ban. Move on”. You can never trust a doper again. THEY destroyed any good faith they had with the fans and onlookers. It’s strange to me that Shelby, who lives in a trailer and trains alone can be this fit after four years gone. That she can pick right back up where she left off without a blip while most of her US contemporaries from 2019 have fallen off, suffered major injuries, or retired.
People are going to write that off to her grit. I don’t. I write it off to dope. She’s not “silencing the haters” with unrealistic performances. She's making them more suspicious.
If I had to guess, the positive test was probably a massive screw up on her part. Not sure what it was, but I’m sure it wasn’t something she’d normally do. That’s why she probably feels confident to get back on the gear again.
She literally did not dope. Do you believe everything you’re told by “authority”?
Chemist wrote:
When Shelby was doping, her best finish was 4th in 2019. Presumably she’s not doping now. And she still finishes 4th. Does that mean doping does not have that much of an effect? Why did she do it to begin with?
She was never doping, period. WADA was wrong.
Shelby never ran over 50 miles a week in college and was already running low-mid 15s. She’s always been one of the most talented women in the world.
Earlywakeup wrote:
She was never doping, period. WADA was wrong.
Shelby never ran over 50 miles a week in college and was already running low-mid 15s. She’s always been one of the most talented women in the world.
I think she actually said she ran 60mpw her senior year. For an 800/1500 ncaa woman that is high. The more talented Battocletti didn’t break 45mpw until age 23 I don’t think and was a 5K/XC runner.
Shelby was good today, but most of the time if you are 4th you are closer than 2 seconds back in a race where the top 3 didn’t really try until the last 500. Says more about the shallowness of women’s elite running and N’getich/Tsegay really coming back poorly from the 10,000 than Shelby being in medal shape.
Seems pretty obvious to me Shelby got railroaded by the anti-doping system, which expressly does NOT affirmatively find that anyone intentionally doped, ever. Unless the athlete admits it, you can never say they were proven to have doped.
The rules 2.1 and 2.2, which are the ones she was found to have violated specifically say negligence, fault, intent, etc are not even considerations. It’s all: was XYZ in your sample? and if it was, can you prove how it got there? It’s really a record keeping test.
She couldn’t pass the record keeping test and so she was banned. Anyone who says she was “found guilty” or “proven a doper” or anything like that doesn’t understand the WADA rules and how fundamentally unlike the American criminal justice system they are, even though that’s the go to analogue people are understandably primed to think of.
Shelby rules! Welcome back!
She was hungry, and the taco truck was conveniently located.
tomsloc wrote:
Seems pretty obvious to me Shelby got railroaded by the anti-doping system, which expressly does NOT affirmatively find that anyone intentionally doped, ever. Unless the athlete admits it, you can never say they were proven to have doped.
The rules 2.1 and 2.2, which are the ones she was found to have violated specifically say negligence, fault, intent, etc are not even considerations. It’s all: was XYZ in your sample? and if it was, can you prove how it got there? It’s really a record keeping test.
She couldn’t and so she was banned. Anyone who says she was “found guilty” or “proven a doper” or anything like that doesn’t understand the WADA rules and how fundamentally unlike the American criminal justice system they are, even though that’s the go to analogue people are understandably primed to think of.
Shelby rules! Welcome back!
You are wrong. She didn't have to prove anything (see CAS, see Taylor), just come up with a not improbable scenario. Hers was so obviously a lie that she got rightfully banned for intentional doping.
Even if she's not doping now (doubt it) she's got years and years of doping. The effects of that are permanent. I thought you were a chemist?
where is aaronK when you need him? If you don't know the reference you do not matter!
Dopers dope because they are cheaters.
What was the point? High results with less commitment, and greater certainty. The psychological element is enough, and I’m sure she doesn’t feel like she ACTUALLY challenged herself during that doping period.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
. The more talented Battocletti didn’t break 45mpw
More talented Battocletti? Since when has Battocletti finished within less than one second to Faith Kipyegon in a 1500m World Championship final, like Houlihan has?
Chemist wrote:
When Shelby was doping, her best finish was 4th in 2019. Presumably she’s not doping now. And she still finishes 4th. Does that mean doping does not have that much of an effect? Why did she do it to begin with?
Nandrolone is one of the most potent anabolic steroids. Scientific research shows it can trigger long-lasting changes in the body.
rzimmerman41 wrote:
where is aaronK when you need him? If you don't know the reference you do not matter!
AaronK is deceased.