Will Fisher et al learn their lesson for the 5000?

High hopes wrote:

After the surprise results in the 10000 and Steeple, and the chaos of the 1500 heats, will the stronger guys prevent the 5000 from coming down to a kick?

Thinking about how it might play out, if it's looking like a 13:20-13:30 race, we're back in chaos territory and leaving the door wide open for fast finishers like Hocker, Laros, Gressier and Kimeli. There's no way for people like Fisher and Young to win in that race, and a good chance they get run out of the medals.

So, do we finally see some sort of cooperation between the stronger runners who can't close in 13 seconds? A group of Fisher, Young, and Mills could theoretically take on the pace, make it a sub-13 race and run the finish out of Hocker and Laros. It's the best hope for those guys. I doubt they'll do it, everyone backs themselves in a kick (except Almgren, it seems) even if all evidence points to someone else being a better kicker.

Togher wrote:

High hopes wrote:

After the surprise results in the 10000 and Steeple, and the chaos of the 1500 heats, will the stronger guys prevent the 5000 from coming down to a kick?

Thinking about how it might play out, if it's looking like a 13:20-13:30 race, we're back in chaos territory and leaving the door wide open for fast finishers like Hocker, Laros, Gressier and Kimeli. There's no way for people like Fisher and Young to win in that race, and a good chance they get run out of the medals.

So, do we finally see some sort of cooperation between the stronger runners who can't close in 13 seconds? A group of Fisher, Young, and Mills could theoretically take on the pace, make it a sub-13 race and run the finish out of Hocker and Laros. It's the best hope for those guys. I doubt they'll do it, everyone backs themselves in a kick (except Almgren, it seems) even if all evidence points to someone else being a better kicker.

Have you not been watching the races and listening to what the athletes are saying about the heat and humidity.

I would say there is close to zero chance.l this is a sub 13 race. Maybe 13:10 or so fastest.

It'll be chaotic, I actually fancy Hocker for it now

Togher wrote:

High hopes wrote:

After the surprise results in the 10000 and Steeple, and the chaos of the 1500 heats, will the stronger guys prevent the 5000 from coming down to a kick?

Thinking about how it might play out, if it's looking like a 13:20-13:30 race, we're back in chaos territory and leaving the door wide open for fast finishers like Hocker, Laros, Gressier and Kimeli. There's no way for people like Fisher and Young to win in that race, and a good chance they get run out of the medals.

So, do we finally see some sort of cooperation between the stronger runners who can't close in 13 seconds? A group of Fisher, Young, and Mills could theoretically take on the pace, make it a sub-13 race and run the finish out of Hocker and Laros. It's the best hope for those guys. I doubt they'll do it, everyone backs themselves in a kick (except Almgren, it seems) even if all evidence points to someone else being a better kicker.

Have you not been watching the races and listening to what the athletes are saying about the (oppressiveconditions) heat and humidity.

I would say there is close to zero chance.l this is a sub 13 race. Maybe 13:10 or so fastest.

It'll be chaotic, I actually fancy Hocker for it now

Togher wrote:

High hopes wrote:

After the surprise results in the 10000 and Steeple, and the chaos of the 1500 heats, will the stronger guys prevent the 5000 from coming down to a kick?

Thinking about how it might play out, if it's looking like a 13:20-13:30 race, we're back in chaos territory and leaving the door wide open for fast finishers like Hocker, Laros, Gressier and Kimeli. There's no way for people like Fisher and Young to win in that race, and a good chance they get run out of the medals.

So, do we finally see some sort of cooperation between the stronger runners who can't close in 13 seconds? A group of Fisher, Young, and Mills could theoretically take on the pace, make it a sub-13 race and run the finish out of Hocker and Laros. It's the best hope for those guys. I doubt they'll do it, everyone backs themselves in a kick (except Almgren, it seems) even if all evidence points to someone else being a better kicker.

Have you not been watching the races and listening to what the athletes are saying about the heat and humidity.

I would say there is close to zero chance.l this is a sub 13 race. Maybe 13:10 or so fastest.

It'll be chaotic, I actually fancy Hocker for it now

malmo wrote:

Togher wrote:

Have you not been watching the races and listening to what the athletes are saying about the (oppressiveconditions) heat and humidity.

I would say there is close to zero chance.l this is a sub 13 race. Maybe 13:10 or so fastest.

It'll be chaotic, I actually fancy Hocker for it now

The LRC crowd are idiots. I don't know how people can say they care about the science of the sport when they cannot care about the physical world around them? They haven't been paying attention. They never do.

The good thing is the rains come in 18th, 19th, and 20th which will take the Dew Points down to the 60°s. So your zero % chance will be more like an 70-80% chance of sub 13:00

Here is a summation of the schedule and conditions temp/dew point, and the (projected conditions)

9.13 Sa Day 1
6:05p M h3000sc 82° 75° SSW
7:50p W h1500 82° 75° SSW
9:30p W 10000 81° 79° SSW

9.14 Su Day 2
8:00a W Marathon 86° 75° SW
9:35a M h1500 86° 75° SW
9:05p W s1500 82° 81° E
9:30p M 10000 82° 81° ESE

9.15 M Day 3
7:30a M Marathon 79° 73° NE
10:30a W h3000sc 82° 73° NE
9:30p M s1500 81° 77° SE
9:55p M 3000sc 81° 77° SSE

9.16 Tu Day 4
7:35p M h800 (83 76)
10:05p W 1500 (82 77)

9.17 W Day 5
10:00p W 3000sc (83 78)
10:20p M 1500 (83 78)

9.18 Th Day 6
8:00p W h800 (78 74 rain)
9:45p M s800 (76 72 rain)

9.19 F Day 7
8:00p M h5000 (72 65 rain)
8:45p W s800 (71 65 rain)

9.20 Sa Day 8
9:30p W 5000 (71 69 rain)
10:20p M 800 (71 69 rain)

9.21 Su Day 9
7:30p W 800 (77 68)
7:45p M 5000 (77 68)