What are American marathoners getting wrong?

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21 hours ago 09/14/2025 9:03pm EDT

I just watched a German and an Italian go 1-2 in the marathon. A frenchmen wins the women's 10k, another Italian gets silver in the women's 10k.

We've had some success on the track so I'm not as concerned with that, but how have we not done ANYTHING relatively on the world stage? It seems like we would have everything at our disposal. We even have kenyan-american athletes competing for us. Yet, we can't hold a candle to the top 5 of most marathons (outside of like Chicago which we obviously know those fields are curated).

20 hours ago 09/14/2025 9:17pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

20 hours ago 09/14/2025 9:24pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

hhhlkkl wrote:
A frenchmen wins the women's 10k

Well, I think it’s clear what we’re missing in this case…

20 hours ago 09/14/2025 9:30pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

not enough east african immigrants

20 hours ago 09/14/2025 9:36pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

Literally no one cares about the World athletics championship marathon. Berlin, chicago and NYC are coming up.

20 hours ago 09/14/2025 9:45pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

The top US guys only run circles

20 hours ago 09/14/2025 9:49pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

Our best marathoners were screwing around running 81 seconds laps and then getting out kicked by a French guy earlier today.

18 hours ago 09/14/2025 11:09pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

hhhlkkl wrote:
It seems like we would have everything at our disposal.

THIS.

Too affluent. Not hungry.

18 hours ago 09/14/2025 11:54pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

Their “heat training” is a joke. I ran a threshold workout last week in the morning. 88F full Sun and heat index 103F. Soaked after the run like a jumped in a swimming pool. If I ran the same workout in 60F I am easily 30-40 faster per mile.

Getting in a sauna, bathtub or wearing sweats is NOT heat training.

18 hours ago 09/14/2025 11:58pm EDT

re: hhhlkkl

Forget USA, what are Kenya and Ethiopia getting wrong? Zero men in the top ten! And for women, yes they went 1-2 but where were their other four women? Nowhere to be seen!

18 hours ago 09/15/2025 12:00am EDT

re: Heat Runner

Heat Runner wrote:
Their “heat training” is a joke. I ran a threshold workout last week in the morning. 88F full Sun and heat index 103F. Soaked after the run like a jumped in a swimming pool. If I ran the same workout in 60F I am easily 30-40 faster per mile.
Getting in a sauna, bathtub or wearing sweats is NOT heat training.

There is nothing that gets you more prepared for racing in the heat than doing workouts in the heat. Their egos are too fragile to not hit their workout splits I fear.

17 hours ago 09/15/2025 1:05am EDT

re: DevonDixonFan

DevonDixonFan wrote:
Heat Runner wrote:
Their “heat training” is a joke. I ran a threshold workout last week in the morning. 88F full Sun and heat index 103F. Soaked after the run like a jumped in a swimming pool. If I ran the same workout in 60F I am easily 30-40 faster per mile.
Getting in a sauna, bathtub or wearing sweats is NOT heat training.
There is nothing that gets you more prepared for racing in the heat than doing workouts in the heat. Their egos are too fragile to not hit their workout splits I fear.

Wasn’t it Frank shorter that liked to train in Florida?

16 hours ago 09/15/2025 1:11am EDT

re: hhhlkkl

USA distance runners are soft, must be perfect conditions on a perfect course. Everything is setup for “time” look at cross country which is the base for great distance running.

American cross country, find a course which is flat, fast, and like track racing, next setup the meet

16 hours ago 09/15/2025 1:42am EDT

re: Soft soft time only

To be fair, Conner Mantz would have been right there had he decided to run worlds. Clayton Young is a good runner, but not as talented as top Europeans such as Petros, Aouani, Gressier, etc.

10 hours ago 09/15/2025 7:24am EDT

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Et tu east africa? wrote:
Forget USA, what are Kenya and Ethiopia getting wrong? Zero men in the top ten! And for women, yes they went 1-2 but where were their other four women? Nowhere to be seen!

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

9 hours ago 09/15/2025 8:37am EDT

re: Soft soft time only

Soft soft time only wrote:
USA distance runners are soft, must be perfect conditions on a perfect course. Everything is setup for “time” look at cross country which is the base for great distance running.
American cross country, find a course which is flat, fast, and like track racing, next setup the meet

Anyone remember all of the whining about the Orlando Marathon Trials? I always thought that didn't bode well for the US having a tough and well-prepared marathon program.

8 hours ago 09/15/2025 9:30am EDT

re: hhhlkkl

USADA is the solution!

8 hours ago 09/15/2025 9:31am EDT

re: hhhlkkl

Other athletes are just working harder. End of discussion.

8 hours ago 09/15/2025 9:32am EDT

re: Heat Runner

Heat Runner wrote:
Their “heat training” is a joke. I ran a threshold workout last week in the morning. 88F full Sun and heat index 103F. Soaked after the run like a jumped in a swimming pool. If I ran the same workout in 60F I am easily 30-40 faster per mile.
Getting in a sauna, bathtub or wearing sweats is NOT heat training.

You are a joke.

8 hours ago 09/15/2025 9:48am EDT

re: Mikasa_Senpai_naruto

Mikasa_Senpai_naruto wrote:
Literally no one cares about the World athletics championship marathon. Berlin, chicago and NYC are coming up.

I beg to differ. The World Championships are a championship. A lot of good runners don’t run it, but many do. And a lot of good runners do poorly because it’s a completely different dynamic than a rabbited commercial marathon.

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