Fisher/Young did NOT run poor races

you're probably correct.

Not the first time seeing this, this year either. The surprise would have been pulling out medals, not the expectation as so many here had.

tbh with Nico's positioning coming off the final turn, I have no idea how he didnt medal whereas infact Gressier who come from behind him won the whole thing

I found it quite annoying when people said Fisher was "training through" USAs as a reason was why he got beat by Nico.

I think Nico has shown conclusively that he is simply better than Fisher this year at 10k and probably 5K as well.

That's freaking silly. The dew point was 81°. Have you ever run in 75°DP? It's unbearable. You can't even imagine what 81° must be like!

For guys who train at altitude in perfect conditions year round, those conditions are like running in a pizza kitchen. They did amazing given the circumstances.

I think GST is more of a factor than people realize. If Grant was in the same 7:22/12:44 form as he was indoors, I don’t see how he doesn’t medal. It’s hard to hold form from February through September without getting stale.

Nico was under raced and didn’t compete in any races after the USA’s, not one. Then today he put him in a terrible position going into the last lap. He totally blew the tactics in that race today.

LMAO everyone trains in the same conditions/locations these days. Get a grip man

Don't really see why Fisher switched his entire racing approach so drastically after his best career season with 2 global medals, especially in a year where the only people that beat him in either event are now out of shape or not contesting the events.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And if you play stupid games, you're gonna win stupid prizes

Edit: Obviously that is said with a lot of hindsight bias as the money was clearly a factor but we now see the money didn't exactly come through

I think Nico ran fine. With Grant, it’s become a pattern. Almost every time he runs, and especially when he is among the favorites, he is content to let the pace slow to an absurd degree. The toughest competition he’s beaten this way has been Cooper Teare in GST, and he almost lost then too. He lost to Coscoran doing the same thing. He’s been in like three races this year alone where the first few laps-few k are slower than those in the equivalent women’s race.

I’m not expecting him to lead the whole way, especially not in a world final, but he refuses to make the first move in just about every race he runs, even if he’s one of the favorites or THE favorite by far. He didn’t inject pace for a few laps in the middle. He didn’t go at 2k. He didn’t go at a mile. He didn’t go at 1k. Fine. He could’ve gone at 500 today like Cheptegei last year, and instead he loses his positioning in the penultimate home stretch, and ends up with his worst finish ever in the 10,000.

The race shouldn’t have even been slow enough to invite the possibility of that many guys finishing ahead of him even if he didn’t have it today. It was the slowest 10000 final not at altitude since 1952. The slowest in the world champs ever by 54 seconds. I get the conditions were oppressive, but they were similarly bad in 2021, and that race was won in 27:40. This isn’t solely on Grant. At least 3 or 4 guys in the field had a lot to lose if it slowed as much as it did.

But his approach has become a terribly bad habit that he can’t break even when his coach goes on record saying that he will. He’s one of the only guys I’ve ever seen consistently play to his weaknesses, and it’s getting frustrating to watch.

Are you really that thick? You're the one who needs to get a grip.

like running in soup - for guys who train at altitude it must have been a shock to the system, though I thought Nico ran fine. the field never separated, there must have been 15 runners bunched up in the final lap. Nico had to swing wide to avoid it all and the extra few steps may have cost him, but he went for it. better to run in the second lane and have a chance to medal rather than stay on the rail and finish 12th.

It wasn't bad race tactics, it was their coaches messing up their yearly plans and peaked them 6 months too early.

Grant Fisher broke a world record in February when World Championships are in September. That cost him at the end of the year.

Nico peaked early too, no need to run 3:50 in the mile in February and 12:51 in March.

Nah man. He knows way better than you. He was more of a professional athlete and has more better PR's than you. LOL.

He knows exactly nothing about the weather conditions. WTF is he anyway? He's a hobbyjogger who didn't take up jogging until he was 35. LOL?

GO watch Fishers post race interview, he trained for just this kind of weather. Everyone knew the heat/humidity was a factor, thats why the race went out slow, he lost because he was fried from the season, he had nothing left with 100m to go.

What am i supposed to get from the video? I've already stated how oppressive the conditions were going to be, and were. Nothing knew.

I know what you're trying to say, but humid air isn't like running in soup, it's actually less dense.

Oxygen (O2) molecular mass = 32 = (16x2)
Nitrogen (N2) Molecular mass = 28 = (14x2)

Air is 78% N2 and 21% O2. So (0.78x28) + (0.21x32) = 21.9 + 6.7 = 28.6 (molecular mass of N2+O2)

Molecular weight of dry air is actually 28.97 because the 1% remaining gasses have a total molecular mass of 0.37.

Water vapor H2O has a molecular mass of 18 (2 x1, plus 16 = 18)

Humid air has about 4-5% water vapor

Replacing dry air (28.97) with water vapor (18) lowers the density of air.