Why no LOVE for C. Mantz???

Mantz is a beast!! That’s easily worth sub 27 on a track. Looks like the Pre 10000 was just a bad day for Mantz.

American Record incoming at Chicago!!!

Agree with everything you said except the sub-27 on the track. I think the shoes help more on asphalt.

However, an incredible result, and, yeah, he’s already ready to go… 4:45 per mile for 26.2 has to be the thinking. Young is not too far behind and might be thinking 2:06 himself if Chicago is perfect weather.

Young was 8th in 27:58.

I have run the course twice and in my opinion there are much faster 10K’s so Mantz should be able to run under 27.

I think Mantz should at least be able to match his Boston time on a certified course. I'm not to sure about Young, but I hope I'm wrong as they are both very fine runners and seem like good guys.

Seconded--there are waaaay faster 10ks. I know it's net downhill overall, but 290' of elevation gain in a road 10k is far from flat:

mapmyrun.com

Beach to Beacon 10K in Cape Elizabeth, ME

A 6.2 mi running route in Cape Elizabeth, ME

Open link

And regardless of time, that was an impressive win--taking down Kiprop (Peachtree champ) and Worku (26:45/58:47) is no joke.

Young beat out Biya and Klecker in that B2B 10k.

"A 28-year-old man from Utah" ???? The editor of this paper should be a fired immediately. What an effing idiot...

Racing fast on the track requires a certain 'finesse', different from the road. At this point he seems to be fully dialed in on the grind of road racing. You see pure finesse track people struggle to run anything good on the roads. Mantz is the opposite at this point, he'll eat people up on the roads who would dust him on the track.

Why $17,500? He got 10K for the win and 2500 for the course record. What was the other 5K?

Whatcha want me to do? Suck him off?

There's a U.S.-only purse.

$5000 for first American.

Not sure what's up w/ mapmyrun's elevation profile, but it's not doing the course justice, especially the end. It makes it seem like you descend almost as much in the final stretch as you do between K6 and K8, which is not at all accurate. The 6-8K descent is a full-fledged quad-sapping downhill run, and looks more or less right on the elevation profile (this is the downhill after the turn until the mile 5 water stop). Once you enter the park, you have a sharp short uphill followed by a false flat for ~200m followed by another ~500m of gentle barely downhill slope (location of the infamous incident from last year).

The site's profile graphic is overstating the finishing downhill by a bunch and understating the rolling hills from mile 5/8K until you get into the park's gate with about 750m to the finish. After bombing down the hills, hitting that final K of rolling hills breaks plenty of fast runners. It isn't reflected very well on any video coverage.

I agree that his performance on a flatter course (or a track) would be better all other things equal. It's kind of like the Boston Marathon -- how yes it is indeed net downhill but the part of it that is uphill is placed at just the right time to be soul crushing if you're at all tired or if you paced yourself wrong.

Good post, and the comparison with Boston is apt; especially Boston because coming late in the marathon is what makes that race a fair test on a day with NO tailwind.

And I agree that Mantz should be faster on the track. The Bolder Boulder usually runs about 60 sec+ slow from what a similar performance would be on a track at sea level. So, I think we can surely say Mantz is a “sub-27:20” guy, but he just hasn’t done it. Moreover, the point I was making was that the energy return from the shoes is better from the harder roads than it is from the track, especially for a “bouncy,” hard slapping runner like Mantz. I do not think it’s fair to say he’s *definitely* capable of a sub-27:00. Perhaps he would get there if he focused exclusively on the 10,000.

But I surely think he’s poised to run faster than he did in Boston into a slight headwind, and I think the same about Young. Time will tell but I hope we see a 2:04 and 2:06, respectively.

There were bigger, more important events happening on the other side of the country. Wrong weekend to get any attention from Beach to Beacon.

I'm guessing minimum of $10k plus expenses for appearance money plus potential for Nike bonus money. Living the dream.

Lol, pathetic. Lose with dignity. Don't ban the africans from winning the prize money.

Clayton Young isn’t running Chicago. He’s running in the world championship marathon in Tokyo next month.