Should we assume Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will never be nullified?

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18, and not far behind her teammate Linli Zhang 8:16.50. Other zhonguo lady, Liyan Ma, 8:19.78. Those times, from 1993 (!), would still be top notch today, ahead of Klosterhalfen, Gidey, Obiri and other monster women.

My point: Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will probably remain in the record books for eternity. It might take years, or decades to beat that time. Difficult/impossible to predict.

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18, and not far behind her teammate Linli Zhang 8:16.50. Other zhonguo lady, Liyan Ma, 8:19.78. Those times, from 1993 (!), would still be top notch today, ahead of Klosterhalfen, Gidey, Obiri and other monster women.

My point: Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will probably remain in the record books for eternity. It might take years, or decades to beat that time. Difficult/impossible to predict.

Ghost1 wrote:

My point: Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will probably remain in the record books for eternity.

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18, and not far behind her teammate Linli Zhang 8:16.50. Other zhonguo lady, Liyan Ma, 8:19.78. Those times, from 1993 (!), would still be top notch today, ahead of Klosterhalfen, Gidey, Obiri and other monster women.

My point: Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will probably remain in the record books for eternity. It might take years, or decades to beat that time. Difficult/impossible to predict.

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18, and not far behind her teammate Linli Zhang 8:16.50. Other zhonguo lady, Liyan Ma, 8:19.78. Those times, from 1993 (!), would still be top notch today, ahead of Klosterhalfen, Gidey, Obiri and other monster women.

My point: Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will probably remain in the record books for eternity. It might take years, or decades to beat that time. Difficult/impossible to predict.

Monster drug cheat wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18, and not far behind her teammate Linli Zhang 8:16.50. Other zhonguo lady, Liyan Ma, 8:19.78. Those times, from 1993 (!), would still be top notch today, ahead of Klosterhalfen, Gidey, Obiri and other monster women.

My point: Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will probably remain in the record books for eternity. It might take years, or decades to beat that time. Difficult/impossible to predict.

Actually, I’m a bit shocked that you’re not defending her, being a drug cheat from a poor nation and all. She’s probably really nice, too.

misfitlove14 wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18, and not far behind her teammate Linli Zhang 8:16.50. Other zhonguo lady, Liyan Ma, 8:19.78. Those times, from 1993 (!), would still be top notch today, ahead of Klosterhalfen, Gidey, Obiri and other monster women.

My point: Chepngetich's 2:09:56 will probably remain in the record books for eternity. It might take years, or decades to beat that time. Difficult/impossible to predict.

It won’t be ratified. Hope this helps.

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18,

Reeer wrote:

But Ghost, why should it be nullified? Where do we stop on this slippery slope? Most of us thought she was doping then, and we have even more reason to think so now. But has it been proven? Like most would say yes and they would be incorrect, although the odds are very strong that she was. But I can name others. Can you?

douglas burke wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Junxia Wang's monster 8:06.11/3000 (September 1993, Beijing) has never been nullified. In that race, btw, second place "no name" Chinese female, Yunxia Qu, ran 8:12.18,

No Name Yunxia Qu? She was The Long Time World Record Holder at 3:50.46 beat Wang junxia in the 1500, She also Won The World Championships in stuttgart Germany, and A Bronze Medal in the Olympics.

Ghost1 wrote:

misfitlove14 wrote:

It won’t be ratified. Hope this helps.

Well it has been "ratified" as of today on World Athletics page, so why would that change?

I don't think Ruth is ever going to fully disclose what led her to take the masking substances, to probably dilute the "real stuff" she had been taking.

2 years is small price to pay, for all those massive paydays she accumulated over the past several years. If she invests wisely, she'll never have to work again, and will be able to provide to her extended family for life.

According to a Kenyan friend, she's just a country girl with an iron will who trained hard, but probably was manipulated into taking stuff to enhance her performances.

In legal terms she's a victim, as she follows the directives of her coaches and agents.

Sad times.

Ghost1 wrote:

misfitlove14 wrote:

She’s not a victim and this isn’t a sad time for her, just the sport. She wasn’t manipulated into doing hard drugs to improve. She made that decision. It’s her body, her choice. I don’t care if she’s financially set for life. She destroyed the credibility of Kenya and distance running. I hope she never races again.

Ruth C. is not a child, obviously, but my Kenyan interlocutor implies, in recent conversations, that she has a childlike mentality and easily influenced by the people around her. This factors into her decision to cross the line, if applicable. The fact that I'm a partial empath might color my objectivity.

Ancient wrote:

Her times in 1993 were under a coach that was dropped by the Chines after the 2000 Olympics for doping allegations.

She competed in 96 Olympics under a different coach and won a gold and a silver.

Got this in Wikimedia and it did have foot notes.
Although Wikimedia is not a great source it has a treasure-trove of information on doping that is really hard to find anywhere else.

Ghost1 wrote:

misfitlove14 wrote:

It won’t be ratified. Hope this helps.

Well it has been "ratified" as of today on World Athletics page, so why would that change?

I don't think Ruth is ever going to fully disclose what led her to take the masking substances, to probably dilute the "real stuff" she had been taking.

2 years is small price to pay, for all those massive paydays she accumulated over the past several years. If she invests wisely, she'll never have to work again, and will be able to provide to her extended family for life.

According to a Kenyan friend, she's just a country girl with an iron will who trained hard, but probably was manipulated into taking stuff to enhance her performances.

In legal terms she's a victim, as she follows the directives of her coaches and agents.

Sad times.