Do we have to as far back as Rono to find them?
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Synthetic testosterone was developed in the 30's, other anabolics in the 60's. Theory of blood bags published by US Navy in the 40's, banned in 1984 with no test in place, after Olympic cyclists admitted to use. Amphetamines used widely in WWII.
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Pheidippides
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“Respective?”
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Obviously Michael Phelps records are the most clean of all time.
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Cam Levins
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Of the existing track records, I think the men's 100, 200, 400 and 400h are definitely clean. The 800, 5000, and 10000 are probably clean.
On the women's side, I don't think any are definitely clean except the 400h. The 1500 is probably clean. The rest are shady AF
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Payday wrote:
Do we have to as far back as Rono to find them?
No guarantee that even he was clean. Even before Rono; Viren, Cierpinski, and others used steroids. Before the 70s there was still performance enhancing drugs, they just weren’t quite as helpful as later ones. I bet there has been cheating by the top athletes in some form or another all the back to the beginning of the modern Olympics at the end of the 1800s.
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I find it hard to believe somebody like Cam Myers or Hobbs Kessler or Ethan Strand are dirty. Maybe I’m naive and don’t think these younger kids are doping. Maybe they’re doing grey area stuff. Maybe the bicarb and the shoes are truly that good. Tough to tell.
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Wiremen wrote:
I find it hard to believe somebody like Cam Myers or Hobbs Kessler or Ethan Strand are dirty. Maybe I’m naive and don’t think these younger kids are doping. Maybe they’re doing grey area stuff. Maybe the bicarb and the shoes are truly that good. Tough to tell.
They’re likely doping. I have a hunch every elite is. It’s too easy to get away with, and none of these guys or women throughout the years has struck me in the least bit as humble and honest. Look beyond the obvious front they put up and I see a lot of deceit, manipulation, narcissism, hubris, and selfishness. Every one of them would risk cheating to win and be famous. No exceptions.
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High hopes wrote:
Of the existing track records, I think the men's 100, 200, 400 and 400h are definitely clean. The 800, 5000, and 10000 are probably clean.
On the women's side, I don't think any are definitely clean except the 400h. The 1500 is probably clean. The rest are shady AF
No, every current men’s and women’s WR is tainted. No question. And your faith that Bolt, Rudisha, Cheptegai, Sydney, and Faith are clean is misguided.
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Membrane wrote:
Wiremen wrote:
I find it hard to believe somebody like Cam Myers or Hobbs Kessler or Ethan Strand are dirty. Maybe I’m naive and don’t think these younger kids are doping. Maybe they’re doing grey area stuff. Maybe the bicarb and the shoes are truly that good. Tough to tell.
They’re likely doping. I have a hunch every elite is. It’s too easy to get away with, and none of these guys or women throughout the years has struck me in the least bit as humble and honest. Look beyond the obvious front they put up and I see a lot of deceit, manipulation, narcissism, hubris, and selfishness. Every one of them would risk cheating to win and be famous. No exceptions.
Theyre probably on a mix of EPO steroids, HGH and anything else they can get away with.,depending on their event. With many sports its go hard or go home. I dont know what the real clean world records are,and nobody ever will. Theres always athletes who are naturally much better than others.
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Membrane wrote:
Wiremen wrote:
I find it hard to believe somebody like Cam Myers or Hobbs Kessler or Ethan Strand are dirty. Maybe I’m naive and don’t think these younger kids are doping. Maybe they’re doing grey area stuff. Maybe the bicarb and the shoes are truly that good. Tough to tell.
They’re likely doping. I have a hunch every elite is. It’s too easy to get away with, and none of these guys or women throughout the years has struck me in the least bit as humble and honest. Look beyond the obvious front they put up and I see a lot of deceit, manipulation, narcissism, hubris, and selfishness. Every one of them would risk cheating to win and be famous. No exceptions.
I don’t see deceit, manipulation, narcissism, hubris and selfishness in any American distance runner. Can you provide some names and links to interviews that support your beliefs?
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Membrane wrote:
Wiremen wrote:
I find it hard to believe somebody like Cam Myers or Hobbs Kessler or Ethan Strand are dirty. Maybe I’m naive and don’t think these younger kids are doping. Maybe they’re doing grey area stuff. Maybe the bicarb and the shoes are truly that good. Tough to tell.
They’re likely doping. I have a hunch every elite is. It’s too easy to get away with, and none of these guys or women throughout the years has struck me in the least bit as humble and honest. Look beyond the obvious front they put up and I see a lot of deceit, manipulation, narcissism, hubris, and selfishness. Every one of them would risk cheating to win and be famous. No exceptions.
It's definitely NOT too easy to get away with to the point that every elite is doping. If that was actually the case then there would be almost no busts ever.
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Membrane wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Of the existing track records, I think the men's 100, 200, 400 and 400h are definitely clean. The 800, 5000, and 10000 are probably clean.
On the women's side, I don't think any are definitely clean except the 400h. The 1500 is probably clean. The rest are shady AF
No, every current men’s and women’s WR is tainted. No question. And your faith that Bolt, Rudisha, Cheptegai, Sydney, and Faith are clean is misguided.
Why do you even take any interest in the elite end of the sport if that's you're view?
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Mondo? He’s been a prodigy since a young age and has had a realistic progression curve. Steroids can’t teach technique and his is off the charts. Also he has long jumper and pole vaulter parents, so the genetics are there to justify his talent. Not impossible for him to be doping but it’s more than likely he’s clean.
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and nick willis, of course wrote:
Pheidippides
No. He stopped and hitched a chariot ride the rest of the way.
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If someone engaged in blood doping when it was not illegal, would you consider that athlete "clean"?
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High hopes wrote:
Of the existing track records, I think the men's 100, 200, 400 and 400h are definitely clean. The 800, 5000, and 10000 are probably clean.
On the women's side, I don't think any are definitely clean except the 400h. The 1500 is probably clean. The rest are shady AF
Sorry, but:
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Bolt was just as clean as Lance Armstrong just better protected and no guilty conscience or threatening people
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