4:23, 4:25, 4:22, 4:21, 4:16 Good day at the track. Started conservative. Felt good to close that last mile feeling strong in a 61. 4:16 was my highschool mile PR on this track. Full circle moment. | Strava
First of all, Clayton has run 2:07. Yes, I know it was on a Boston course that can run extremely fast sometimes, especially with a tailwind. But this year, it had a slight headwind, and the Heartbreak Hills late really do make this an honest course. Valencia and Berlin and London are faster.
Secondly, I’ll be the first to agree that the shoes are kind of BS and are worth up to a second per lap (and getting better all the time). I’ve said this multiple times. But the elevation where they are training at more than makes up for it. 4,500’ down to sea level is worth five seconds per mile. If you’d spent any time there or a similar altitude and coached enough kids over time, you would know this. I guess the best you can say is that that last 4:16 1600 is really a 4:20 1600 in the old shoes but, nonetheless, a 4:15 when you adjust to sea level.
Lastly, I appreciate that these guys post their training at all and allow the public to see how they train. Two of the best to ever do it over 26.2 and not complete primadonna jacka$$e$ either. Humble. Hard workers. Likeable. I appreciate them.
I hope you can appreciate that he has lived at altitude for his entire life and therefore gets less of a benefit compared to someone who is altitude naive.
No. He is a 2:08 marathon runner on legal courses. And he nor Mantz could be considered one of the best ever. They do come across as good guys though. I dont think Young will break 2:07.
I hope you can appreciate that he has lived at altitude for his entire life and therefore gets less of a benefit compared to someone who is altitude naive.
"Altitude naïve" - first time I heard that expression...which might not translate accurately with Google translate in other languages.
Btw, languages constantly evolve over time, albeit slowly. There are words in English which were not used back when I grew up....many moons ago ..
First of all, Clayton has run 2:07. Yes, I know it was on a Boston course that can run extremely fast sometimes, especially with a tailwind. But this year, it had a slight headwind, and the Heartbreak Hills late really do make this an honest course. Valencia and Berlin and London are faster.
Secondly, I’ll be the first to agree that the shoes are kind of BS and are worth up to a second per lap (and getting better all the time). I’ve said this multiple times. But the elevation where they are training at more than makes up for it. 4,500’ down to sea level is worth five seconds per mile. If you’d spent any time there or a similar altitude and coached enough kids over time, you would know this. I guess the best you can say is that that last 4:16 1600 is really a 4:20 1600 in the old shoes but, nonetheless, a 4:15 when you adjust to sea level.
Lastly, I appreciate that these guys post their training at all and allow the public to see how they train. Two of the best to ever do it over 26.2 and not complete primadonna jacka$e$ either. Humble. Hard workers. Likeable. I appreciate them.
boston was faster than london this year. nobody in the mens elite field ran a pr (besides those that had a debut if you want to count that) at london.
I hope you can appreciate that he has lived at altitude for his entire life and therefore gets less of a benefit compared to someone who is altitude naive.
I can appreciate that every athlete I’ve ever coached or been affiliated with at high altitude drops their 3200 time some 15-20 seconds when going from 5,200’+ to sea level in the 3200, and about 6-7 seconds in the 1600. And I’ve witnessed it time and again in others, and I used to use a rule of thumb of 2 sec per lap. Tom “Tinman” Schwartz’ calculator is even more generous.
Now, 4,500’ isn’t 5,500’, but it’s still worth 5 seconds per mile, but, let’s just say 1 sec per lap. So it negates the effect of the shoes. But the shoes still are ridiculous.
No. He is a 2:08 marathon runner on legal courses. And he nor Mantz could be considered one of the best ever. They do come across as good guys though. I dont think Young will break 2:07.
I don’t know if Young will break 2:07 either, but he might. He ran 2:07:04 on a Boston course that was neither a hindrance nor an aid this particular year. And he ran 2:08:00 (crossed the line at 2:07:59 actually) at Chicago two years ago. So I feel comfortable calling him a 2:07 guy.
