- Kids who don't run with school teams, but instead chase times in "elite" races.
- Multiple "National Championships" which create chaos and dilute talent.
- Abundance of overage seniors.
- Shoes are the final nail in the coffin. Multiple sub-4s every year, which should be 4:08s or thereabouts.
It's all way too clinical and phoned-in. Too many "good runners" to keep track of. Vibes are just off. Really just interested in my local/state stuff now.
-Almost no high schoolers forgo their high school eligibility to “chase time in elite races”
-The multiple national championships is pretty frustrating. At least in cross NXN is pretty clearly the most competitive meet, in track it’s been much more spread out.
-How much are people on here going to keep talking about “overage seniors”?? At worst high schoolers will have an extra year of development, but there’s so much variance in physical development person to person that it means totally different things for different athletes. Also, some athletes start competing at the age of 6 - is this unfair? They had 8 more years of training (not intense training usually, but regardless) than other kids who grew up with parents who cared less or in a worse area.
-2 seconds a lap for super shoes is an absurd estimation. The “3:59 is worth x:xx” is such a pointless debate anyways. It’s impossible to get even close to a generalization like that because (which should be pretty obvious) everyone is a different runner.
- Kids who don't run with school teams, but instead chase times in "elite" races.
- Multiple "National Championships" which create chaos and dilute talent.
- Abundance of overage seniors.
- Shoes are the final nail in the coffin. Multiple sub-4s every year, which should be 4:08s or thereabouts.
It's all way too clinical and phoned-in. Too many "good runners" to keep track of. Vibes are just off. Really just interested in my local/state stuff now.
Also recruiting and transfers and a team becomes an “all star team”
- Kids who don't run with school teams, but instead chase times in "elite" races.
- Multiple "National Championships" which create chaos and dilute talent.
- Abundance of overage seniors.
- Shoes are the final nail in the coffin. Multiple sub-4s every year, which should be 4:08s or thereabouts.
It's all way too clinical and phoned-in. Too many "good runners" to keep track of. Vibes are just off. Really just interested in my local/state stuff now.
Hasn’t been a sub-4 at Brooks PR or New Balance Nationals. We shall see if Nike Outdoors can deliver one, but doubtful, so you are quite wrong.
- Kids who don't run with school teams, but instead chase times in "elite" races.
- Multiple "National Championships" which create chaos and dilute talent.
- Abundance of overage seniors.
- Shoes are the final nail in the coffin. Multiple sub-4s every year, which should be 4:08s or thereabouts.
It's all way too clinical and phoned-in. Too many "good runners" to keep track of. Vibes are just off. Really just interested in my local/state stuff now.
Damn, now you'll have to select from the glut of NCAA and global professionals running meets every week instead of being entertained by literal teenage strangers who have high variations in training intensity and physical maturity.
- Kids who don't run with school teams, but instead chase times in "elite" races.
- Multiple "National Championships" which create chaos and dilute talent.
- Abundance of overage seniors.
- Shoes are the final nail in the coffin. Multiple sub-4s every year, which should be 4:08s or thereabouts.
It's all way too clinical and phoned-in. Too many "good runners" to keep track of. Vibes are just off. Really just interested in my local/state stuff now.
Agree with everything except the shoes. Seeing 3 different "national champions" get crowned every year is stupid.
- Kids who don't run with school teams, but instead chase times in "elite" races.
- Multiple "National Championships" which create chaos and dilute talent.
- Abundance of overage seniors.
- Shoes are the final nail in the coffin. Multiple sub-4s every year, which should be 4:08s or thereabouts.
It's all way too clinical and phoned-in. Too many "good runners" to keep track of. Vibes are just off. Really just interested in my local/state stuff now.
To harp on this more... the two HS runners featured on the front page right now aren't even wearing their high school uniforms. They're wearing some Nike pro kits are something.
They should be repping their team. It's bizarre. Patriot Alan Webb wore his South Lakes uni when he ran 3:53.
To harp on this more... the two HS runners featured on the front page right now aren't even wearing their high school uniforms. They're wearing some Nike pro kits are something.
They should be repping their team. It's bizarre. Patriot Alan Webb wore his South Lakes uni when he ran 3:53.
- Kids who don't run with school teams, but instead chase times in "elite" races.
- Multiple "National Championships" which create chaos and dilute talent.
- Abundance of overage seniors.
- Shoes are the final nail in the coffin. Multiple sub-4s every year, which should be 4:08s or thereabouts.
It's all way too clinical and phoned-in. Too many "good runners" to keep track of. Vibes are just off. Really just interested in my local/state stuff now.
Lots of what OP is saying is true. It's a huge mess. These times don't make sense. There needs to be stricter rules and testing implementing, because none of it makes sense anymore. The overage seniors and the "national championship" BS really sets it off for me.
High school running should be just the athlete running for their own high school, at high school meets, and nothing more. State meets should be the final level of competition. No "unattached" or "national champ" BS. That was barely a thing 20 years ago.
To harp on this more... the two HS runners featured on the front page right now aren't even wearing their high school uniforms. They're wearing some Nike pro kits are something.
They should be repping their team. It's bizarre. Patriot Alan Webb wore his South Lakes uni when he ran 3:53.
My god you are dumb.
No, he's right. Is running a marketing strategy now? Some kind of promotion? These are HSers who should be competing at HS meets.
Some of these kids are getting NIL money already and repping their sponsors...and some state associations don't allow these kids to wear or represent HS in these out of state unsanctioned meets...I like the idea of a national meet but wish there was one in the midwest instead of the east/west coast...same with indoor....HS sports in general are being overrun by the travel softball/baseball/basketball/volleyball, etc...the offseason club sports are bigger than the actual HS seasons..