Clearly another case of the officials trying to make themselves the story?
This got my 4x8 DQ’d for unsportsmanship conduct- he tossed the baton. Not angrily, not maliciously, just because he was tired after a 1:52 split. And not even something we could appeal because it was a judgment decision. We have got to do better in this sport pic.twitter.com/9WcEuYNsiu
Rojo: While I guess we could argue over the definition of "throwing" the baton the rules have always been pretty clear good or bad. I blame the coach on this. Clearly, at the start of the year every athlete should be taught/instructed to hand the baton to the official after a relay race. That solves the issue of less than experienced officials making calls like this.
RULE
Yes, throwing the baton in Track and Field is a violation that leads to disqualification. This rule applies whether the baton is thrown in anger, frustration, or as a display of unsportsmanlike conduct after the race. Elaboration: General Rule: Throwing the baton at any time during or after a relay race is against the rules, according to track and field websites. Disqualification: Throwing the baton will result in the immediate disqualification of the team from the event. Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Throwing the baton is considered unsportsmanlike conduct, and can be penalized even if it doesn't directly impact the race or another competitor.
I got DQ’d from a 4x4 in high school for the exact same thing (decades ago). First time I split under 50 and ended up with a DQ. Insane that this never changes.
Rojo: While I guess we could argue over the definition of "throwing" the baton the rules have always been pretty clear good or bad. I blame the coach on this. Clearly, at the start of the year every athlete should be taught/instructed to hand the baton to the official after a relay race. That solves the issue of less than experienced officials making calls like this.
RULE
Yes, throwing the baton in Track and Field is a violation that leads to disqualification. This rule applies whether the baton is thrown in anger, frustration, or as a display of unsportsmanlike conduct after the race. Elaboration: General Rule: Throwing the baton at any time during or after a relay race is against the rules, according to track and field websites. Disqualification: Throwing the baton will result in the immediate disqualification of the team from the event. Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Throwing the baton is considered unsportsmanlike conduct, and can be penalized even if it doesn't directly impact the race or another competitor.
I am not arguing against a DQ, just more curious about exactly how they determine it.
"This rule applies whether the baton is thrown in anger, frustration, or as a display of unsportsmanlike conduct after the race."
What if it was none of those, just fatigue? And this text always refers to "throwing", so what if instead of handing it to the umpire, you just drop it at your feet in total exhaustion? What if instead of at your feet, just drop it 1 foot away so you can collapse? Or drop it 2 feet away? Is the as simple as "if it touches the ground you are DQ'ed"? How much discretion does the umpire have?
No. He clearly tossed the baton toward the infield. Don't make stuff up.
Look up definitions for 'throw'. There is definitely a case for not calling it a throw.
Collins Dictionary: When you throw an object that you are holding, you move your hand or arm quickly and let go of the object, so that it moves through the air.
His hand or arm didn't move quickly.
Collins Dictionary: project or cast (something) through the air, esp with a rapid motion of the arm and wrist
It's projecting if it goes down? Projecting means: Extending out above or beyond a surface or boundary.
Merriam-Webster: to propel through the air by a forward motion of the hand and arm
Sure there was a bit of forward motion, but overall sense of motion is down towards the ground gently.
Overall, I don't think it meets the intended picture of "throw" in the rule the way it is written.
No. He clearly tossed the baton toward the infield. Don't make stuff up.
Ask Difference: The act of throwing is often deliberate, with the intention to reach, hit, or pass something to a specific target, emphasizing accuracy, speed, and sometimes the trajectory. Whereas dropping something is rarely a deliberate act aimed at achieving a specific outcome other than letting the object fall freely from the hand.
Overall sense of what he did is more drop than throw.
part of it is the same curb excess issue as the girl with the extinguisher.
part of it is you often use a meet baton and return it at the end and this is like ooops i don't have my library book.
and related to that, it's potentially destructive of the baton that costs money, or could hurt someone or ding some other piece of equipment. they are generally fairly indestructible but do we have to test that?
track obviously has a yellow card but there should be broader discretion to use it, eg, the d3 kid who did a time expending off track excursion should be a yellow. i think it should be available in these circumstances. i'm ambivalent whether this is a yellow or red, so to speak.
he threw it and with some degree of upset. we gonna pretend he didn't just get clipped at the line? barely make it across the line with his dive?
for our purposes here the concern is the school loses the baton someone vents with, or has to fish it out of the woods, or has to decide whether the dented result can be used or pounded back in shape.
No. He clearly tossed the baton toward the infield. Don't make stuff up.
Ask Difference: The act of throwing is often deliberate, with the intention to reach, hit, or pass something to a specific target, emphasizing accuracy, speed, and sometimes the trajectory. Whereas dropping something is rarely a deliberate act aimed at achieving a specific outcome other than letting the object fall freely from the hand.
Overall sense of what he did is more drop than throw.
are you seriously suggesting we radar gun the throws? it was voluntary. it went forward yards. it might have been felt if it hit you.
if there is a throw distinction it would be like the guy sets it on the track as he's laying there, no danger, no damage, not getting lost, no anger display. the baton isn't disappearing, or being broken, or hitting someone or something.