Why are there 5 sub 4 highschoolers going into the race and they take it out in 2:03? Especially after Josiah Tostenson claimed to be in 3:50 shape. The pacer was 30 meters out less than a lap into the race. How were there that many good runners but not one with guts to try and take it.
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These high schoolers need to get their egos in check god damn. Josiah Tostenson is NOT running 3:50😭😭😭
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These kids have gotten too soft. They talk up all this hype and then the winner’s last lap is a 54…I thought this was a time trial effort and not a championship style race. Said this before and I’ll say it again, if you want to chase sub 4, do not come to a race with several sub 4 high schoolers - it will not happen!!!
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Yeah, Tostenson barely cranking out a 3:59 after not going for it is a major disappointment of a race, I’m sure he feels poorly about it too.
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who was the dude pacing? I honestly feel like Holt out of Empire Elite Track Club was the better choice
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Respect to Quintin, the Junior from Iowa (Oregon commit). I'm assuming his gameplan was to stick with the top dogs and see what they were going to do, and their slow pace clearly worked out in his favor. 2:03 - 1:56 is NUTS for a High School Junior. He may have a chance to get close to Webb's record in a fast, time trial race this year. Excellent talent as shown from the Iowa State Meet results.
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G049 wrote:
Respect to Quintin, the Junior from Iowa (Oregon commit). I'm assuming his gameplan was to stick with the top dogs and see what they were going to do, and their slow pace clearly worked out in his favor. 2:03 - 1:56 is NUTS for a High School Junior. He may have a chance to get close to Webb's record in a fast, time trial race this year. Excellent talent as shown from the Iowa State Meet results.
Even more impressive when you see he ran 2:04.0 - 1:54.6!
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I didn't see it, but the high school girls race looks like it lived up to the hype. 4:23 for the winner and 5 other girls under 4:40 is legit.
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Joe Johnson wrote:
These high schoolers need to get their egos in check god damn. Josiah Tostenson is NOT running 3:50😭😭😭
Bro is 19 and supposed to be in College anyway
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BigNurkfan11 wrote:
who was the dude pacing? I honestly feel like Holt out of Empire Elite Track Club was the better choice
How can you complain about both the kids not going with the pacer and the pacer hitting the requested targets?
The pacer, Derek Holdsworth, has a 1:45.37 800 PR btw.
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Your point being? Eric Holt is a 3:51 miler.
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Iegit wrote:
I didn't see it, but the high school girls race looks like it lived up to the hype. 4:23 for the winner and 5 other girls under 4:40 is legit.
It did -- in spades.
Not to mention the 6th grader who ran 4:55 in the jr high mile for a new national class record.
As for the boys --- are you all blind?
Did you not see the huge pile up which resulted in the recall and led to one of the fallen runners receiving medical attention and an ultimate DNS?
There was a good 5-10 minute delay, including lots of standing around with shocked looks on faces because of what just happened.
I didn't think anyone would break 4 after that collision. They were just all too tentative coming off the line that second time. Not to mention their collective adrenaline which had essentially vaporized.
Josiah was terrific.
But Quintin looked like the perfect miler who ran the perfect mile race.
The only thing underwhelming is the title of this thread.
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Fan Out West[] wrote:
Iegit wrote:
I didn't see it, but the high school girls race looks like it lived up to the hype. 4:23 for the winner and 5 other girls under 4:40 is legit.
It did -- in spades.
Not to mention the 6th grader who ran 4:55 in the jr high mile for a new national class record.
As for the boys --- are you all blind?
Did you not see the huge pile up which resulted in the recall and led to one of the fallen runners receiving medical attention and an ultimate DNS?
There was a good 5-10 minute delay, including lots of standing around with shocked looks on faces because of what just happened.
I didn't think anyone would break 4 after that collision. They were just all too tentative coming off the line that second time. Not to mention their collective adrenaline which had essentially vaporized.
Josiah was terrific.
But Quintin looked like the perfect miler who ran the perfect mile race.
The only thing underwhelming is the title of this thread.
Yes, this ^. Thanks for trying to restore some sanity.
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If you watch the race, you can see pretty much why it played out in this way. Not only was it a risk in the first place in having most of the best guys in one field (what happened at Arcadia), because they want to show they are the best and so don't want to pace for anyone, but with an all-alpha dog field, none was willing to give any quarter at the start, so you had a bad fall, a long delay, and then finally a restart. At that point, they were not interested in going with the pacer. So, the times overall were slower than they were capable of running, but we cannot sniff at two sub-4s when we went 34 years with no sub-4s.
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800 m Girls
1. 12 Elyse Wilmes 2:04.05 PR Father Tolton HS (MO)
2. 12 Paige Stuart 2:05.92 PR Blue Springs (MO)
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1. Craig Engels 3:41.28a Nike
2. - Olin Hacker 3:42.16a HOKA NAZ Elite
3. - Brandon Miller 3:42.23aPR Brooks Beasts
4. Sr Max Davies 3:42.46aSR Royal City Athletics
5. - Kasey Knevelbaard 3:42.78aSR Under Armour Dark Sky
6. - Austin Dalquist 3:42.97aPR Tracksmith
7. - Charlie O'Donovan 3:43.15aSR Ireland
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9. Isaac Updike 3:43.39aPR Under Armour Dark Sky
10. Jr Tanner Talley 3:43.57aPR Unattached - University ...
11. - Jake Gillum 3:44.46a Unattached 12.
12 Tanner Maier 3:45.15a Minnesota Distance Elite
1500 Meters High School Championship - Finals
1. 11 Quentin Nauman 3:43.52 PR Western Dubuque (IA)
2. 12 Josiah Tostenson 3:43.70 PR Crater (OR)
3. 12 Tj Hansen 3:44.70 PR Freeland (MI)
4. 12 Robin Lefebvre 3:45.29 PR André-Grasset (QC)
5. 12 Joseph (Tiago) Soca... 3:45.91 PR Belen Jesuit Prep
6. 12 Tayvon Kitchen 3:45.94 PR Crater (OR)
7. 12 Benjamin Anderson 3:46.16 PR Mountain Vista HS (CO)
8. 11 Jackson Spencer 3:46.22 PR Herriman (UT)
9. 12 Charlie Vause 3:46.38 PR Rio Rancho (NM)
10. 12 Corbin Coombs 3:46.60 PR Organ Mountain (NM)
11. 11 Caden Leonard 3:46.67 PR Southlake Carroll (TX)
12. 12 Jack Anstrom 3:46.99 PR Seaforth (NC)
1500 Meters Professional - Finals
1. - Flomena Asekol 4:12.27 On
2. - Kristlin Gear 4:12.47 PR HOKA
3. - Christina Aragon 4:12.74 PR Nike
4. - Jenn Randall 4:13.10a Pacific Athletics
5. - Jaylah Hancock-Came... 4:13.34 Australia
6. - Alexina Teubel 4:13.74 SR Unattached
1500 Meters High School Championship - Finals
1. 12 Jane Hedengren 4:04.68 PR Timpview (UT)
2. 12 Hanne Thomsen 4:16.76 PR Montgomery (CA)
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Seems like you failed a few classes. He is 18. He is eligible to compete in high school. His parents were smart not to send him early. Always great to see families to do what is best to give kids a leg up.
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On another note--these crazy waterfall starts....I think Nauman actually was shoved off the track during the one that got restarted with the fall...so much pushing and shoving in HS on 800/1600/mile waterfalls...could HS races go to a one turn staggered start like high level 800m races or at least four 2 lane alleys? I've seen a lot of crazy collisions on waterfall starts this year...last night that kid who fell was injured enough that he struggled to get up and was unable to race at all... or reduce number of kids in those races...waterfalls are dangerous with that many kids at the same level of ability
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The middle school mile times have definitely been under appreciated.
A 6th grade girl (Isla Rahmer - New Mexico) broke the middle school national record with a time of 4:55.
A 7th grade boy (Luke Surface - North Carolina) also ran a 4:27.
The pro races were mediocre and the men’s high school mile unfortunately had the restart but otherwise the performances were great throughout.
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I only watched the one race that was worth watching. Jane does it again.
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